Quote from: 1miau on January 08, 2023, 04:55:53 PM

So, even a completely fair governance will not prevent such things but it can try to improve things as much as possible.

I fully agree.

Quote from: 1miau on January 08, 2023, 04:55:53 PM

I don't know Romanian history but I believe DDR has been similar to Ceausescu dictatorship? Both were abolished in 1989.

Yes, most likely. Now, of course, I don't think as DDR regime was so oppressive to its citizen like Ceausescu was (limiting the amount of food to precise and very low quantities; making sure people can't buy more food than the one allowed etc. -- Should I also mention that, in winters, Ceausescu was also limiting the heat inside houses and people had to survive with only 17 Celsius degrees inside their homes?) -- but I believe it was similar. Besides, many totalitarian regimes fell in 1989...

Quote from: 1miau on January 08, 2023, 04:55:53 PM

Bitcoin is a great example here because of censorship resistance. It's very dificult to abuse Bitcoin.

True.

Quote from: 1miau on January 08, 2023, 04:55:53 PM

Bitcoin might be fair but it can't be applied to our street issue above.

At least, not yet...

Quote from: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 07:22:49 PM

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on January 08, 2023, 01:21:44 PM

There is a concept name Spontaneous order. It implies that people, by themselves, can organize themselves, even without an authority leading them to do it. [...]
According to Wikipedia, Spontaneous order, also named self-organization in the hard sciences, is the spontaneous emergence of order out of seeming chaos.

chaos is the lack of order.. end of

things then mentioned about 'spontaneous order'.. i reply with blah..

You'd be surprised, but spontaneous order is not the only order which appears out of nowhere, straight from chaos. And it is certainly not a blah. Nor the spontaneous order nor the other thing which I will document here. I am talking about catallaxy.

Quote from: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 07:22:49 PM

lets actually specify things related to our community(bitcoin)

And catallaxy can be seen into Bitcoin as well. According to Austrian school economist Friedrich Hayek, catallaxy is "the order brought about by the mutual adjustment of many individual economies in a market". From obvious reasons, since people associate by will, we can also say that catallaxy is a part of praxeology. (I will not enter in deep details about praxeology; it should suffice to say that praxeology is the science of human actions and it implies all the actions made by humans for a purpose. Uncontrollable actions, such as coughing or sneezing are not part of praxeology, as they are reflexive actions.)

Practically, catallaxy is close to spontaneous order, but it only brings together people with mutual interests in economics.

Quote from: franky1 on January 08, 2023, 07:22:49 PM

things like byzantine generals fault. as the pre bitcoin 'chaos'
which consensus solved(mainly 2009-2016)

Bitcoin is an economic system and consensus is a very important part of it. We can say that all users which adhere to this consensus are also subject or catallaxy. Then again: out of nowhere (chaos), Bitcoin appeared. The earlier chaos found a spontaneous order and this order was named Bitcoin. And through catallaxy, the sister of spontaneous order, bitcoiners gather together to form a consensus.