Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 20, 2023, 02:19:20 PM

With the exception that using a mixer comes with some advantages over your service, and any other coinjoin service; cost and effectiveness.

You are WRONG. Mixers aren't effective because they don't provide privacy to their users and the cost could not be higher because your coins get stolen.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 20, 2023, 02:19:20 PM

If there was an identical service available elsewhere where custody is not relinquished, then there would be no reason to opt for the custodial approach.

You're LYING: There is an identical service available where custody is not relinquished: It's called coinjoin. That's how anyone can correctly identify "mixers" as deliberate scams since there is no such requirement for them to control your coins or data.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 20, 2023, 02:19:20 PM

But, in the case of coinjoin services which treat the currency as non-fungible, and fund the surveillance of the chain using coinjoin fees, I completely acknowledge the need for custodial such services.

Again, you are WRONG: Any mixing website could have chosen to run a coinjoin coordinator to prove they are not interested in collecting anyone's data and not interested in stealing their coins. Instead, you can prove that mixing websites are scams because they are telling everyone to send them their coins and data instead.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 20, 2023, 02:19:20 PM

Now this is the point where you reiterate the same misconceptions regarding effectiveness and how relinquishing your data negates the mixing purpose. Just to preempt this, I am specifically referring to services that don't keep logs. Moreover, I am fully aware of the risk associated with placing trust solely in someone's reputation.

LIAR, you said you would rather have your property than your privacy after the Chipmixer scam:

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on March 15, 2023, 03:10:03 PM

Quote from: LoyceV on March 15, 2023, 03:06:57 PM

I'm curious about that too. Many people used ChipMixer for privacy, which (still) isn't illegal. But if you're going to claim your vouchers back from the German authorities, your privacy will be gone.

Privacy is secondary. If I had vouchers, which I fortunately don't, I'd just want my property back.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 20, 2023, 02:19:20 PM

Except from the part where everyone can't coinjoin as there exist "naughty coins" which don't pass the zkSNACKs' approval?

You're LYING again. Wasabi is free and open source software just like Bitcoin itself, ANYONE can coinjoin without permission: https://github.com/zkSnacks/WalletWasabi

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 20, 2023, 02:19:20 PM

And the part where you're literally funding chain surveillance?

The Mixutum.io scamming site clearly says

[/quote=Mixtum.io]3. Quality scoring of incoming transactions
We run a thorough background check of incoming funds through a proprietary algorithm.

Unlike a coinjoin coordinator who reviews coins registered to a round, the chain surveillance Mixtum.io performs on its users is actually dangerous since they control the coins and collect the data of their users.

Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 21, 2023, 08:53:55 AM

It's going to be very hard to prove/disprove that without going too technical about it, won't it? Can someone, preferably from people who actually use Samourai Whirlpool, to ELI-5?

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I already proved how Whirlpool users can be tracked in this post, you can verify it for yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62072711#msg62072711

Quote from: Wind_FURY on August 21, 2023, 08:53:55 AM

The link at the bottom literally says to download Wasabi Wallet to try CoinJoin. Where's the other CoinJoin apps?

In the advanced section, which is coming soon.