Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 07:21:46 AM

Quote from: franky1 on Today at 01:37:12 AM

mixers and tumblers are mainly used by illicit sourced funds..

I don't take the time to get involved with you anymore, but you're prohibited from derailing this thread further. You've had your chance to make a civilized dialogue about mixers in the past. Now you're just blabbering the same nonsense. Mixers are not used mainly for illicit stuff. Evidence supports otherwise. Chain analysis (if you took the time to actually do "tHe ReSEarCH", as you love), has noticed a less than 10% being sent there illegally.

its actually more then 10% but nice try downplaying it to stroke your sheep to sleep underplaying the risk

but anyways this 10%+ poses a 10%+ risk factor, which as said (unlike your babble of true/false privacy/fungibility..) VASPS and regulators see it as a non 0% risk thus has guidance and policies and rules and laws in place on how to treat it

i know you want to ignore rules/ regulations, laws and business policies and user agreement terms.. but to real people in the real world where being caught with illicit funds unrelated to their actions which get them in alot of headaches for someone elses callous greed. it means something

just using a mixer does not = instant day in court to prove innocence/accept guilt. instead you are at a non 0% risk of having criminally related funds so you are put on a watch list.
(meaning privacy level for you is dropped by using such things that put you on a watch list.)

there are thresholds where if your details are repeatedly linked to criminal stuff to reach a threshold then that triggers investigations, and SARS and as each link to criminal related funds increases the % and gets higher odds of then triggering a court order

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 07:21:46 AM

Quote from: arabspaceship123 on March 28, 2023, 11:51:24 PM

Bitcoin mixers aren't regulated so that's the reason they'll be used for predetermined money laundering by lawbreakers.

Sure, no disagreement. You can't regulate everything, so criminals will always be attracted to beating around the bush.

mixers are a msb/pf money service business/payment facilitator thus should be regulated as LAWS mention
and no "franky" did not make bitcoin a legit currency in 2014.. actual regulators and politicians and judges did.. so dont play the "ignorant cox franky"

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 07:21:46 AM

Quote from: Yogee on March 28, 2023, 03:37:44 PM

Let's say the source of your funds are clean but do mixers make the process of concealing the funds' origin legal?.

I'll need a little bit more context. If you're asking if it's legal to conceal the origins of money, then it depends on the country and the manner you conceal it. You conceal the origins of your cash in your pocket everyday unconsciously, but that's obviously not illegal.

you are not going to court if you are a innocent person who sent and received innocent funds.. but you are going on a watch list.
if you put dirt coins in you will get a high % risk/suspect rating
if you put clean in and got dirty out your % would be lower. but continual/repetitive usage raises your % of suspicion on regulators and MSB services watchlist

the silly thing is mixers are promoted for privacy but put you on watchlists. and then the promoters distract you with talk about legality to not get people to read about the breach of privacy they dont want to be mentioned as it ruins their sales pitch

but the reality is using a mixer wont give you more privacy. it will get you highlighted more