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btc365 now its scamming site, they blocked 90% accounts , so I'm looking for something similar

I still don't understand why newbies come on here looking for trusted online casinos but end up using online casinos with ruined reputations or scam past histories, why are you even trying to use this website called btc365 when there are many good online casinos on this forum? We wear strong online casinos signatures because of people like you, there is DuelBits, Roobet, Rollbit, and many more that give satisfying services to their customers, if KYC verification is what you are trying to avoid well it's not going to favor much because the biggest online casinos ask for KYC verification to keep their business out of trouble from the authorities.

Exactly!

Why would you want to look for a casino similar to the one you accuse of scamming?

This is complete nonsense! I don't understand the approach at all.
As you say, if OP is able to come and open a topic here, it means that he is able to do his research on the forum, and legit casinos are not what is missing around here.

OP may be part of the people who demand a regulated and licensed casino security, without wanting to go through KYC. One day people will understand, that in a long term perspective, KYC does not handicap them, but in general means protection for the end user and the casino operator himself.

I think completely differently.

KYC does not really protect anyone, but is an elementary element of mass control and surveillance of people by controlling their financial condition and financial flows.
All the data of people who have passed in a particular casino or exchange, or in general on some kind of KYC site, in the end, still end up in a single population database. Both private and public databases. And this data is naturally completely at the disposal of special services, the banking sector and other authorized government bodies.
In the end, KYC is just data that a person gives voluntarily, as a rule, and does not realize that this simply tightens the noose of surveillance and control around his neck in some exceptional and extreme circumstances. And in the life of people after all, there are all sorts of circumstances. Including many have to hide from creditors, and such a person is not a criminal at all, but simply an unlucky person. This is where this damn KYC helps lenders to catch such an unlucky person. And I repeat - not a criminal and not a scammer at all !!! And a person who just got into a difficult life situation!

And what is at least some benefit of KYC for this person? There is no benefit at all! Only one harm!!!

That's a really interesting point of view, I can understand it.

I'm not sure that it's really a tool for mass control (at least now.), in the sense that there is no database that I know of that would centralize the different KYC that people have passed.
They are only used, I mean data like POI POA and EDD/SOF only in case of problems. Otherwise it just stay in stock.

Let's take the example of a French person who does a KYC with Binance, Coinbase, or Nicehash, whatever.
For a French person living in the European Union, his KYC will be processed by Jumio or Idnow, which are the two processors in charge of FRs residing in the European Union.
These two processors do not store the data, the GDPR forbids them to do so. They process the KYC, and give the validation (or not) to the company that pays them for that, in our example the CEX.
It is this said company that will store the KYC information for a maximum of 6 years.
If this same Frenchman does another KYC, but at MEXC website for example, or another CEX, neither Jumio/Idnow, nor MEXC, nor the other CEXs will know that he has already been KYC'd elsewhere. KYC are not centralized and because of that, IMO they are not usable as a tool of control right now.

For me, KYC allows the company to know who it is dealing with, to be sure that you are not listed in a SAR file or wanted by any authorities.
In return, the customer is guaranteed to be treated honestly in theory, because thanks to KYC he can prove that his funds are linked to his identity and it becomes legally complex to seize him without a valid reason.
It's always the same thing, the balance between security and decentralization comes at the cost of losing a little of one or the other.

You mentioned the example of the unlucky guy which has debts or issues with Taxes authority, In this case, I would directly use P2P from a personnal point of view,. KYC is never an absolute necessity for those who oppose it and refuse it.
There is no situation where a KYC is totally mandatory as long as you are able to use P2P systems, but I strongly believe that having a KYC linked to a CEX account, where you don't really do business (only a few buys for example) is a best way to hide yourself. You do your KYC, some small buys, and on the side, if you use Bisq or any P2P solution, autorities will just consider the CEX trades. It is less suspicious than no KYC at all if you are already flagged for some illegal crypto things related or anything. No KYC at all could be a red flag for autorities if you have been flagged in the past, no ?