Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

They sacrifice your privacy (as well as block space/transaction fees) by forcing you to do a tx0 transaction before coinjoining

This just isn't true at all.

It is absolutely true, and I can prove it: Post the tx ID of any Whirlpool transaction and I will show you the tx0 transaction that was created by each of the new entrants.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

If you willing sacrifice your privacy by consolidating inputs prior to going anywhere near a coinjoin, then that's on you.

If you don't consolidate, you create even more toxic change, wasting even more coins.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

This has nothing to do with Samourai at all.

Yes it is: They choose to make users who merge their inputs pay less in coordinator fees than users who don't merge their inputs since they charge a flat entry fee instead charging fees based on total amount.

Samourai chooses to charge you extra coordinator fees for submitting your inputs one at a time compared to consolidating them.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

You could quite easily sacrifice your privacy by consolidating inputs prior to using Wasabi, or JoinMarket, or Bisq, or any other service.

No, you can't sacrifice your privacy in a Wasabi: Input consolidation is made private since it is done within a coinjoin transaction, observers cannot determine if any two inputs are owned by a single wallet.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

This leaks your premix transaction history to your swap partner. You know what's even easier than that? A coinjoin making all of your Bitcoins private like Wasabi does without extra steps, extra layers, or extra shitcoins.

Good thing you can perform these swaps anonymously then. I mean, actually anonymously, not Wasabi "anonymously" which requires the permission of a surveillance company. Cheesy

What do you mean "you can perform these swaps anonymously"?... The counterparty of the swap is able to see the tx0 that the change output they received originated from Lips sealed

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

You're lying, and everyone can see you are lying - Here's the exact quote of what I said: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5286821.msg62067607#msg62067607

You can argue semantics all you like - saying it is unlikely that provides Whirlpool "any anonymity at all" is just plain false.

Why would you assume it is likely that most users would change all their default settings in their wallet that are required to become private?... Since Whirlpool coinjoins are only 5 inputs, 4 users who used the default settings will automatically deanonymize the remaining user who customized his settings to turn his client private.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

If I'm wrong, show everyone proof that the clients used by all 5 inputs and outputs in this Whirlpool transaction are using Tor and their own node instead of sending someone else's node their xpub

You seem to be confused about how burden of proof works. If you make a claim that all the inputs have leaked their xpub, then it's on you to prove that claim. You can't go around making wild claims and say "Disprove my unsubstantiated bullshit!"

The only people who can prove how many users Samourai is able to spy on is Samourai. That's why I used the word "unlikely" because it's not possible to prove.

This is, once again, why WabiSabi coinjoins are strictly superior to Whirlpool coinjoins since you don't have to worry about honest users being used as unknowing and unwilling spies against you.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

This is a lie, all of your addresses and UTXOs are prevented from being linked to each other by blockchain analysis because Wasabi uses client side block filters to discover your wallet balance from the network.

And then hands your addresses and UTXOs straight to blockchain analysis surveillance company for investigation and approval.

Again, this is a lie: No one knows that addresses and UTXOs belong to any single user because Wasabi masks this information with client side block filters and Tor by default.

Only Samourai could hand addresses and UTXOs straight to blockchain analysis surveillance companies for investigation since they collect the xpubs of their users, which includes all previously used addresses, all future unused addresses, including addresses from coinjoins that Samourai told their users were "private".

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

This blockchain analysis would only be possible in Samourai wallet and Sparrow wallet

Right. So the entities which aren't working hand in hand with blockchain analysis companies are more susceptible to blockchain analysis than the entity literally using your coinjoin fees to pay blockchain analysis companies to analyse your UTXOs. Lmao. I'm sure even you don't believe that, but good job repeating the party line.

Blockchain analysis only works against Samourai because they receive your xpub by default. Blockchain analysis can't find your Wasabi wallet history thanks to using client side block filters and Tor by default.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

No, it's not okay, which is why exactly Wasabi generates a new receive address for every transaction.

So I guess all the address reuse with blockchain evidence which I've linked to is just a figment of my imagination?

There's nothing you can do to stop someone from sending two transactions to the same address. If you want to change that, you'll need the entire Bitcoin network to accept a consensus fork making the second transaction invalid.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 07:36:46 PM

Quote from: Kruw on Today at 05:48:15 PM

So for the record: You were not able to identify the input that created an output without other matching values in address bc1qrmmypw3g2ds4aqgh3nqc59qhdp9qk779x2zlru which proves your previous claim of "you don't need to be a 'whale' at all in order to receive absolutely zero privacy from a Wasabi coinjoin" to be false.

Good job ignoring my examples. That seems to be a recurring theme here. Roll Eyes

So in summary, coinjoins that don't work, that you need to permission to join at all, provided by a company which uses your money to pay blockchain analysis companies to spy on you.

The transaction you linked isn't even a Wasabi 2.0 coinjoin and doesn't have a 4.39250624 BTC output. You are just posting nonsense trying to distract from the fact I proved you wrong by posting a non whale non matching output that you were not able to trace.

Bluff after bluff after bluff. That's okay bro, keep going, I have an entire blockchain full of evidence I can prove you wrong with.