I've been mentioned several times in this thread, but I had other things to deal with so here's my late reply.

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on May 03, 2023, 05:44:47 PM

I don't see limiting newbies' ability to post in the lending board as having a big affect on the forum.

It's not big, but it's also another step on a slippery slope. Every time I see someone argue for more restrictions, I appreciate theymos' hands-off approach more.

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If a newbie comes here only to request a loan and finds that he's incapable of posting a loan request, one of two things are likely to happen: He'll contribute to the forum until he is capable of posting his loan request, or he'll hit the road and never come back.

I fear a third option: they'll start posting anything they can until they qualify to use the Lending board.

Quote from: John Abraham on May 04, 2023, 05:51:30 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on May 03, 2023, 09:11:08 AM

As much as I'd like to see more restrictions for Newbies, I think theymos has a point:

Sometimes I find your response is predictable. When I saw this topic title, I thought if LoyceV commented on this post, He must mention theymos and his famous post about restricting newbies.

Lol. I like the post because it's part of what made me change my mind on adding more restrictions. I'd love to get rid of all the spammers and scammers, but I wouldn't like to join a forum where I'd have to jump through many hoops myself.

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I find it helpful to limit newbies from posting on the lending board.

Short-term, you're probably right. I recently responded to a Newbie who asked for a loan. If there's even a slight change the kid is going to learn something here, I consider that a win.

Quote from: John Abraham on May 04, 2023, 05:51:30 AM

Quote from: LoyceV on May 03, 2023, 09:11:08 AM

I think we should stop protecting people from taking risks: if they're dumb enough to send their money to a Newbie with no forum history, they're on their own.

You didn't say that. Did you? Oh, I don't think you will say that when you see someone is going to send money to a newbie who doesn't have a good or no forum history.

Allow me to quote theymos again (I bet you didn't see this one coming):

Quote from: theymos on February 20, 2019, 11:06:13 PM

Honestly, I think that someone that naïve can't be protected. Even if every inch of the page had been full of warnings, he still might've fallen for it

I've come to realize some people can't be saved, and may need to learn the hard way. People are still falling for the "money doubling scam", online and IRL. People need to apply common sense before sending some stranger their money.

Quote from: NotATether on May 04, 2023, 06:58:08 AM

Besides, a person should not join Bitcointalk solely for the purpose of getting a loan, and I'd imagine you'd agree with me on this one too.

I agree that's not the best motivation to join, but is it really worse than joining to complain about a captcha or not understanding the basics of transaction fees? My point being: no matter why someone joins, they may stick around.

Quote from: Timelord2067 on May 04, 2023, 08:44:12 AM

PayPal is another area where scammers are preying on unsuspecting forum members yet neither the Admin/mods, LoyceV nor theymos seem interested in intervention to protect such forum members who have been scammed by their continued silence on the matter.

What do you want me to do if someone gets scammed by/with Paypal? I can tell you I don't like it, but I'm realistic enough to know I can't prevent it either. Literally the first sticky thread on the Currency exchange board starts with "Beware of PayPal". What can I do?

Quote from: ChuckBuck on May 04, 2023, 02:03:27 PM

Quote from: NotATether on May 04, 2023, 01:09:35 PM

LoyceV is not a staff member.

he's not saying that LoyceV is a staff, he's just listing them, mentioning them in a list Cheesy

right? Somehow, I think he's right. Maybe the scammers are too many, they can't control everything, or maybe they're just too tired of it.

So, follow-up question: why am I in that list? I have zero control over scammers.

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Quote from: ChuckBuck on Today at 02:37:41 AM

oh, that's not it, I see, I remember shasan loaned a newbie some money 2 days ago, if i remember correctly, sometimes they still put their trust in the newbie, not all Cheesy

Did you mean this thread I would like to get 0.005 BTC? you need to recheck the link he posted Tongue

This trolling might actually give other Newbies the wrong impression. If they think a Newbie got a loan, more of them will try the same thing.

Quote from: DaveF on Today at 11:04:47 AM

Probably would just be easier to

1) Leave them some negative feedback and encourage others to do the same.
2) Start a flag and encourage others to support it.
3) Add them to your ignore list
4) ~ in your trust list.

And then move on. Is it 100% proper use of flags and feedback. Perhaps not, but who cares.

I care! Too many users have inaccurate negative feedback already, and it basically reduces the value of the warning. Excluding a user who hasn't left any feedback doesn't change anything. I agree on point 3) though: ignore them!