Quote from: Ucy on January 05, 2023, 09:37:46 AM

There is nothing anarchist or lawless about Bitcoin. Anarchy is simply a foolish ideology promoted by deranged minds which Satoshi, a smart man, has nothing to do with. Bitcoin has rules (which is strictly obeyed by the community) of which without, anyone can do whatever he/she want like the worthless and satanic anarchy seeks to enthroned.

I wonder who will survive if the World or humans bodies exist in anarchy. Same as Bitcoin, it will completely crumble if it's ruled by anarchy, choas or lawlessness.
By the way, the Bitcoin is already in good hands and will never succumb to cheap and worthless blackmail.

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Occasionally I'll listen to self-described crypto anarchists talk on like a bitcoin podcast or something and god, you couldn't find more naive people lol. One time there was even a discussion between the host and a anarchist and the host was asking about his anarchist views and the anarchist was asked what would happen once there are no rules or govt and the anarchist was like well groups of people will come together to make some rules and I'm like omg that is how govt starts!! Dude didn't even realize he was describing the beginning of creating a govt when talking about how anarchy would work lol. Anarchist described how anarchy won't work and will naturally lead to govt without even realizing it haha.

Anyway, Bitcoin and anarchy don't have anything to do with one another. The bitcoin anarchists are very naive just like all anarchists. Libertarians are a bit different as they still want govt just not much of it (kind of like how bitcoin provides governance of protocol rules but leaves everything else up to the implementation and the owners of the bitcoin), so bitcoin does jive with libertarians. I think libertarianism is a mix of good ideas (obviously individual liberty should have very very high precedence in society) and naivety, it's like anarchy-lite, though here in the US libertarians tend to just vote for corrupt republicans who want to gain as much power and control over the people as they possibly can so *most* self-described libertarians tend to support the opposite of what they claim they are for in this country at least.

More to the point, libertarians and anarchists are fairly rare (partially cuz most people aren't that naive and realize govt is necessary, partially because most people want govt to do stuff for society, partially because people tend to follow political parties which tend not to be libertarian because politicians generally want power instead of giving away power).

So naturally as Bitcoin expands into mass adoption the percentage of bitcoiners who are anarchists/libertarians is going to get very small as most people are those people. The anarchist/libertarian bitcoiners are the starry-eyed naive ideologues who think Bitcoin will destroy govts and fiat, and society will run on bitcoin. While most people are more realistic and like Bitcoin for protecting and growing their wealth, to have an escape hatch away from inflating fiat and the banking system, to be able to transact with anyone in the world in a sovereign way, and the general idea that bitcoin is a better money, is decentralized and therefore not corruptible/controllable/destroyable and is very likely the world's alternate currency for the digital age. You can be a strong bitcoiner with these realistic things, without the naive desire to destroy govts. Bitcoiners come from every part of the political spectrum, though totalitarians and communists would be against bitcoin because if you are a totalitarian you want total control, not liberty, and if you are communist you want no private property and everything shared equally. Though in real life communism has never actually existed as it has always just been subverted by the totalitarians who take advantage of the position communism sets up in society.

In summary, idealogical there is of course a bit of libertarianism in the construction of Bitcoin - taking money away from banks & govt - but most people aren't libertarians and certainly not anarchists, and bitcoin is for everyone, so these ideologues naturally become a smaller and smaller percentage of bitcoiners as bitcoin grows to a mass audience.