Quote from: KTChampions on Today at 11:33:29 AM

Strange grades. For example, here are the ratings from Stake:

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In my opinion the second list is more accurate. Of course, I also disagree with such a low assessment of Croatia and I think that Croatia, Denmark and the Netherlands should be quoted equally. Otherwise, everything is more or less fair, especially given the randomness of what is happening in the playoffs.

I didn't agree with the Mirror's list, and it's not even a German newspaper, it's British Cheesy

They made this post on March 23, 2023, so it is very up to date and they are really considering Germany as favorite.

In this list you posted, for example, again I don't agree with Croatia behind Denmark. Netherlands I even consider with more chances among the 3. Now Germany must be with good chances probably because they play at home. But this list you posted is more accurate, I agree

These lists are nice for us to discuss and feel how the feeling is towards these teams, but I will only place the bets for real the day before the competition starts and the match I am betting on.
Until the first match, a lot can change, and I will give a simple example, if Mbapée gets injured, will France still be favorites?

Quote from: swogerino on Today at 07:58:08 AM

England always start as a favorite in almost all tournaments but the fact is that they have only won 1 World Cup so far and 1 European Cup and I am not even sure about this second one,meaning that most of the times it is all about hype and when it comes to performing on the field they usually fail to deliver and the funny thing is that they usually have some of the best players,let me remember you the 2002 with Owen and company and they failed to deliver in that event.

Other teams like Italy are more pragmatic and we have the latest Euro where Italy won it after beating England in the final and the final was even played in England,that shows that hype does not win you games and as such for me England is no real favorite in this upcoming Euro 2024.

I have followed the England national team quite a bit and they have had very good teams that have won practically nothing, teams with Beckham, Terry, Lampard, Owen, Rooney etc
I see this current team as an excellent one, well balanced, defense, middle, and attack with great players, and a differential that is Harry Kane, who solves difficult matches. Maybe it's time to forget Maguire.
Today the English championship is in my opinion the most difficult in Europe, and this is helping the national team.
I'd rather England win that Euro 2024 than France.