Quote from: mikeywith on May 17, 2023, 01:05:09 AM

Quote from: DrBeer on May 16, 2023, 09:03:29 AM

This is a classic approach, or the concept of the Russian world - lie always, lie everywhere, lie with or without reason! The main thing is to lie!

I couldn't disagree, but I think modern western governments are more advanced in the "lying game" than anyone else.

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- for the local population in Russia, you can give out any nonsense in the media at all

You can do the same thing in the U.S, you can lie to someone who works from 8 to 5, take their tax money, and spend it in a war 7000 miles away from home, and they will still believe that an 18-year- old kid living on a mountain is an existential threat to their country.
Of course, this is pretty universal, the Chinese do the same thing, African governments do the same thing, it's very important to realize that ALL governments manipulate their own people, by not realizing that and thinking that all governments are lying except yours -- it would only prove that you had a successful brainwash.

Let me disagree

Now I will explain why. I do not deny that all governments manipulate information in one way or another. Somewhere they didn’t finish something, somewhere they embellished it a little, but so that it was not a PURE LIE. Why ? And because this topic will be instantly raised, the authors will be smeared with the truth, and there will always be a cliché of "liars" on them.
In Russia, and among its "partners" - a lie is the basis of information and REALITY. Primitive, dumb lie

And no one is responsible for this. Moreover, lies have been put on stream, all information channels are totally controlled, and they carry a total, agreed-upon lie to the masses.
The purpose of this is to manipulate the consciousness of the population. And it is for this reason that Russia has taken a course towards isolation from external information services.

Well, be honest - the headline "199,983 companies went bankrupt in Europe due to the energy crisis in 2022" is true? The answer is NO. The reasons - a huge list, and yes - some surge in energy prices, was not a "positive event" either. But firstly, there was an increase in the cost of energy carriers earlier. Secondly, it did not have a critical impact on business. Thirdly, it turned out that the indicator of the number of bankruptcies is generally less than it was in previous years. Itgo - the information completely does not correspond to reality, moreover, it is deliberately "twisted" .. And what is this called? That's right - INTENTIONAL LIES!