Quote from: thecodebear on Today at 05:55:14 AM

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on May 18, 2023, 07:25:22 PM

Quote from: Artemis3 on May 18, 2023, 06:55:59 PM

Indeed, it is very ironic to bring the "my freedom" (to spam) argument while at the same time act like a dictator.

DooMAD is of the opinion that being free to transact, as in freedom, is more important than being free to transact, as in beer. But even if you prioritize transaction costs rather than censorship-resistance: the Bitcoin network being congested should be seen as the normal state. I don't want to disappoint you, but you'll have to be more generous with the miner, because sooner or later you'll become his main income. There is no bright future for Bitcoin without a shitload of unconfirmed transactions, so if you're here for low costs, better study second-layers.

Yes of course congested is always going to be the normal state of Bitcoin. We wouldn't want it any other way, because if it isn't congested that means people aren't using it. But there is a huge difference between congested with monetary transactions and congested with stupid crap like using it for cloud hosting of silly images. Most people I think want it congested because it is useful money, and don't want the people who use it as useful money to have a hard time using it because it is instead congested with stupid jpeg cloud hosting.

We're at a problem now when unintended uses are starting to spam the blockchain. It's not a huge problem at the moment, but during the next bull market, or in a few years when 10x as many people use Bitcoin as today, it's gonna be a serious problem if these Jpeg pushers are still around taking away space from people who are actually trying to use Bitcoin for its intended purpose.

Exactly. Just one correction: the content of what they store on bitcoin blockchain is not important at all. I keep saying that even if they store the cure for cancer (as opposed to monkey pics), it still is malicious.

Generally speaking the arguments about decentralization, censorship resistance, fee market, etc. that some users like DooMAD keep bringing up are not wrong on their own, the problem is that they have nothing to do with this topic! Since we aren't arguing about normal usage of bitcoin, this Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System that led to all these troubles. We are arguing about a malicious usage of this system for something it is not designed to be (a cloud storage) that is causing problems.