Quote from: Lucius on Today at 01:28:42 PM

Are you referring to this YT video? I watched it yesterday and I have to admit that I was even more disappointed with how Ledger looked at the whole situation, and that he actually called everyone who raised their voice people who spread FUD for no reason. The part in which Pascal talks about the Ledger leak scandal is especially incredible, because he claims that almost no one knew that it happened, and that the event had no impact on the company, suggesting that the dust around seed sharing will soon settle. That part is available at 56:20.

Yes, I'm referring to that video. It made me moody and angry how Pascal (he doesn't deserve this surname) looks at Bitcoin users. You could see an ironical and humiliating attitude towards bitcoin users in his speech. I bet he even laughs and thinks how stupid people are when they buy/order his hardware wallet.

Quote from: Lucius on Today at 01:28:42 PM

I'm somehow more convinced that this company will fail much sooner, and that it will probably be destroyed by this same service that they are trying to sell now. The three companies that will keep the seeds will sooner or later be part of some data leak, hundreds or thousands will be hacked that way and then there will be no going back.

At some point I think that there is a bigger overall plan and FTX, Ledger and other companies are part of this plan, yes, I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory but everything can happen. Look, top exchanges fail/scam/go-bankrupt, now hardware wallets are probably going to get hacked/leaked. Isn't this a reason to ban bitcoin usage/trading/mining/etc? Probably this is a real plan or probably they think that people are dumb and want to take an advantage of that.

Quote from: Pmalek on Today at 01:35:58 PM

Quote from: Synchronice on Today at 09:36:27 AM

If Ledger Recover was a mandatory service, then that would make sense but since its optional, there is no logical reason to produce another series of hardware wallets. You can either subscribe it and pay $9 monthly or just ignore it and use Ledger in a traditional way.

You are forgetting one thing. The code for Ledger Recover will become available on your device if you upgrade the firmware. For now, that's true only for the Nano X. You decide if you want to switch the feature on or off, but Ledger brings it to you no matter what. Imagine a self destruct button in your car, where, if you press it, the car explodes. I am not going to press it, but I am not comfortable having it there at all. Ledger has already decided to add that button.

No, o_e_l_e_o said that Ledger could offer people a new device called Ledger Nano R(ecover) and offer Recover option only on that device but that's not gonna happen because on paper, Ledger says that their Recover subscription is optional for everyone and if they don't want to use it, their seeds won't be backed up, so, I told him that's the reason why Ledger simply doesn't have to produce another hardware wallet with that option.

By the way, we don't actually know whether Ledger wallet already came with turned on self-destructive button or not but one thing is sure, they went against the wish of people who value privacy, so this product is not for us. Ledger is definitely the modern Trojan Horse in bitcoin world.