Quote from: Ale88 on May 30, 2023, 07:18:54 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 30, 2023, 06:21:43 PM

it may well be better to allow that one to be entered and to attempt to receive votes.. rather than completely leaving such a submission out of the contest...

If it's a pizza contest and someone submits an entry that is clearly not a pizza, what's the point then? If next year we make a pasta contest would you ever submit a risotto or a salad?

Are you suggesting that pizza has actually been clearly defined? Then yeah no problem. Are you going to presume that anyone looked at the dictionary for the definition of pizza or to know what is the definition of pizza if it has not been pointed out? That's seems to be the point that I was attempting to make, which is people might have differing definitions of what is a pizza if such definition has not clearly been made from the start...

For example if the definition of pizza is that it has to have tomato sauce.. or it has to have bread or it has to have cheese or it has to be cooked in some kind of an enclosed space (oven)? Can you make a pizza that would qualify in the contest without tomato sauce, without bread, without cheese, cooked in a pan or on a non-enclosed grill?

Hypothetically speaking, within a contest, pizza could have a variety of crazy-ass definitions including but not limited to that all pizza submissions must have some kind of a green vegetable (such as lettuce), noodles, corn, pineapple and/or anchovies contained therein. Cheesy

Quote from: Ale88 on May 30, 2023, 07:18:54 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 30, 2023, 06:21:43 PM

By the way, from my perspective (to the extent that it matters), if "pizza" has not been adequately defined at the beginning of the contest, then you (I am not referring to anyone in particular) better not be trying to define "pizza" after the fact.. and in that sense it is likely way better to wait until next year to define (clarify) what you believe is pizza (for the purposes of the contest) in order to have adequate ways to eliminate members based on their seemingly shitty submissions that are not likely to get votes, but they may well still end up receiving merits for being submitted to the "pizza" contest - even if they are low effort and pretty loose with anyone's (who is anyone's) perspective of what might a "pizza" be. Cheesy

I'm sorry but are we actually debating what is considered pizza in 2023? Just a quick copy-paste from Wikipedia:

Pizza is a dish of Italian origin consisting of a usually round, flat base of leavened wheat-based dough topped with tomatoes, cheese, and often various other ingredients, which is then baked at a high temperature, traditionally in a wood-fired oven. [source]

If the "pizza" is not baked of course it can't be considered a pizza. If someone uses cake ingredients it can't be considered a pizza. I'm not saying that all the pizzas must be exactly as stated above but at least some basic steps must be followed.

I am not debating what is a pizza. I am merely pointing out that if pizza has not been defined then it would not be fair to impose a definition after the contest has already started....

Regarding your wikipedia reference, was wikipedia pointed out as the "official definition" of pizza for the purpose of this contest? #askingforafriend... myself Wink

By the way, in the end, I don't care that much regarding the extent to which the contest is fair or not - except stating my opinion regarding if the goal were to be to have a fair contest, then it is probably better to have the definitions of: "what is a pizza" for example, in the beginning of the contest, not being made up on the fly after a contest had already started.

Quote from: mendace on May 30, 2023, 08:58:29 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 30, 2023, 06:21:43 PM

so I think, as I am typing this, I am heading towards believing that it is better to include everything and to give reasons for why they are left out mostly in the categories of photo shop or seemingly low effort trolling.. rather than "that ain't no pizza"... ... but if the conclusion is that the submission fails to fit the "definition of pizza" then that would be better to state it, rather than to "ignore" it.

I agree with you but the word "pizza" does not need to be defined as it does not need to be defined as "water" or "coca cola" we all know how these drinks are. If I order a pizza, the waiter must bring me a circular pasta cooked in the oven (preferably wood-fired) with a layer of tomato on the surface up to half a centimeter from the edge covered with mozzarella. This is the basis. Finally, you can season it with some ingredients such as ham, mushrooms, peppers, salami, artichokes, etc... but any type of strange dough cannot be defined as pizza. For the dough you need water, flour and yeast. It's that simple and I don't expect a regulation to define what a pizza is if the contest plans to cook one.

Isn't it ironic that you said that a pizza does not need to be defined (kind of like: "I know one when I see one"), then you thereafter stated a definition for pizza, from your own point of view, that you suggest to completely unobjectionable.

By the way, some people might purposefully choose to not use flour in their crust base. Accordingly, from your point of view, keto pizzas do not exist? #againaskingforafriend

Quote from: John Abraham on Today at 07:32:19 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on May 30, 2023, 06:21:43 PM

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Except for them, I still believe I've listed some low-quality/effort Pizza that barely looks like a pizza. Some of them deleted their entry, if I am not wrong. I hope my explanation makes sense. I am no one to judge if it's a pizza or not.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Personally, I feel like I am not inclined to comment on any of the submissions that might have had been left out, even though I do believe that it is good to provide opportunties for any member to object in the event that they might believe that some kind of a creation/submission (that they consider to arguably have had been a fair or artistic or a "parody" pizza - as examplens mentioned) to have had been left out...including some claims that the pictures appear to be photoshopped or even seen in some other location on the interwebs that tends to establish that the member submitting the picture had not made the pizza(s) contained within the images that they had submitted or if someone figures out that that the submission appears to be a bot/AI generated pizza submission.

Quote from: fillippone on Today at 08:14:38 AM

Anyway, I used it to “print” the central bitcoin logo. The other letters were instead manually carved. Space for improvement for next year maybe?

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Cheddar slices and a 3D-printed Bitcoin logo: what can go wrong?

I had to experiment with different techniques to get to an acceptable results.

Well?

Hopefully you washed your hammer and your other steel/pizza (and all purpose) stamping tools between uses... would not want your seed phrase to get loss due to pizza corrosion... or alternatively for you to have had accidentally eaten your backup seed phrase.