Quote from: kuroman on April 15, 2014, 08:39:29 PM

-153°C is the minimum temperature registered on Mars, it doesn't mean it gets that cold everywhere, in the equater the trempreture is more earth like that you might think.

This was answered, Atmosphere when it comes to meteorites won't make much difference, earth attract more and gives more kinetic energy to the incoming meteorites, and since we observe Mars and had probes and orbiters around it there was way more meteorites that impacted earth than on Mars.

Copying your plan? I didn't even read it, but as you mentioned your plan has some issues, like the soil on Artanctica is 4km deep and to how deep you think you need your base to be built under to be adiabatic? how much would it cost? as for Mars just use an available cave, or use a 3D printer if you don't want to dig to built your own habitat, this plan was presented 3 decades ago by Dr Robert Zubrin, he didn't just present Ideas, but a whole plan presenting everything, from risk to cost. so no not copying your plan.

Getting to Mars and getting the material needed to Mars is the biggest problem in the equation, while when it comes to Artanctica that's a none issue, yet why there isn't a permanent scientific station to this day? while scientist runs whenever it is winter, the scientific research there is of such importance, from meteorological studies and ozone hole studies to, underground sealed lakes like the Vostok and what's not, (btw scientist had to leave because of winter just at the edge of it !)

As for gravity it's not much lower it is indeed lower but we aren't talking about the moon here we are talking about Mars which has around 38% of earth Gravity, which is easily negated with the heavy space suites, Gravity would be a problem getting to Mars on zero gravity not being there in a lower gravity that you can negate the effect.

Like I said before building a an a floating Island in international water is the most possible and cheapest plan to do

Yeah, sure it can get quite hot during the summers, day time. But the lack of martian atmosphere makes the temperatures vary a lot. The average on Mars is about −55 °C.

You didn't even read the plan, but still you criticize it? Good job.
How deep i'd need to build our base? It could be just below surface. As long as the isolation is good it doesn't matter. How much would this cost? I have no idea. I didn't even come up with it until yesterday, lol!
Build your base using a 3D-printer? Seriously? Do you know how much that would cost?
He came up with the plan 3 decades ago? By that time the Soviet union was still a country, and most people had never even touched a computer. We know a lot more about the conditions on Mars now.

Yes, getting to Mars would be a gigantic problem. That would cost billions just to develop the Spacecraft that would get you there. And then of course you'd need it to carry all materials needed for you to start a colony on a new planet. That would cost an unthinkable amount of money.
Also, FYI there are permanent research centers on Antarctica. And that argument doesn't even make sense anyway. I could as well ask "Why are there no permanent research centers on Mars?".
Lets not either forget that it's not that uncommon with massive dust storms on Mars, lasting up to a few weeks. During those you would not be able to produce any electricity from solar panels

So you would wear heavy space suites all day long? That doesn't even matter. None knows what effects the "38% of earth" gravity would have on humans. It might be enough for the human body to not suffer heavy muscle loss and bone demineralization, or it might not. It's also very unclear if it would be possible to breed the next generation of humans whilst on Mars because of the same reasons.

A floating island would not be the easiest, but it's the most realistic.
I mean, it's not hard to dig even if the ground is frozen, and then it would just be the building part left. It's not that hard. However the world would probably get quite mad if we did so, and therefore the floating island would be the better option. The Mars thing you talk about however is completely unrealistic (for now, atleast).

Quote from: Kiki112 on April 15, 2014, 08:49:01 PM

daaamnn

how do ships shipping stuff handle these waves?
if they can, how couldn't we? Cheesy

other then that, couldn't we just drill the ice downwards and use the ice as isolation from the wind and place ourselves there?

If they're hit by those monster waves they usually don't make it.
Those ships are designed to ship some stuff and keep afloat. It's not a very pleasant experience for the ones onboard either. If we want an island that can support a bigger population we'd have to take much bigger precautions. I mean, what if the island doesn't make it? Just think of the headlines "Breaking news: 10000 dead in Bitcoin island catastrophe", that's not what we want is it?

Quote from: kuroman on April 15, 2014, 09:00:31 PM

that's way I said a place like near the Moroccan shore a strategic place between America, EU and Africa where there is almost no storms, and you have everything near by, including continental internet Fiber optics

We cannot place it within the EEZ, so that's not an option.

Quote from: kuroman on April 15, 2014, 09:10:28 PM

We aren't getting to Mars, or building a permanent base on Artactica anytime soon

For such plan, you need to built a floating Island somewhere, and then pull it international Seas and plant it there, like we do with Oil platforms (this is something we already have the know how to

Atleast not Mars. Antarctica would be very possible with some money and devotion.
Placing it on such deep waters as in the Atlantic ocean is not possible atm. It's just way too deep.