Quote from: be.open on Today at 06:42:48 AM

Quote from: coolcoinz on June 12, 2023, 09:44:39 PM

Quote from: be.open on June 11, 2023, 03:05:39 AM

This is direct evidence against Ukraine. Maybe you, in contrast, have direct evidence against Russia, in addition to unfounded accusations? No, you don't have them, and no one has them, otherwise they would have been circulated by all Western media. There is no evidence that Russia did it and there is no motive for Russia to do it. The best argument against Russia is that if there had been no invasion at all, then the dam would have been intact. This is a ridiculous argument.

A himars hit that occurred more than 6 months ago is not a direct evidence against Ukraine. You don't seem to know what a direct evidence is, so I'll help you with that.
When someone gets murdered and that person was attacked some time before, this is not direct evidence against that former attacker. The fact that he tried to do it a year before doesn't mean he did it again and succeeded. A direct evidence would be if you had a murder weapon with his fingerprints or you'd found victims blood on his clothes.

That hit in 2022, or any other existing plans for it did not blow up the dam. Planted explosive devices did. Ukraine doesn't have a single missile capable of such destruction. It would require multiple hits to level the dam and there's evidence for a single explosion.

Quote from: be.open on June 12, 2023, 07:55:57 PM

Even one test hit and a frank admission of it is much more than zero.

It used to be direct evidence and now it's more than zero. Your confidence seems to be decreasing with time.
Again, a test hit 6 months ago is not an evidence against Ukraine.

Maybe you will provide this evidence, if it really exists? I could only find an article in the New York Times subtitled "U.S. spy agencies still do not have any solid evidence to determine who caused the destruction, the senior administration official said". There is also a report in a Norwegian source stating that an explosion with a magnitude between 1 and 2 was recorded, and updating from below that "Based on new analysis, we have also observed weak signals from an earlier seismic event from approximately 02:35 (local time in Ukraine) originating from the direction of the Kakhovka Dam". That is, there were not one but several explosions? In any case, none of the sources indicate that Russia did it.

ps Video of collecting trophies in the Zaporozhye direction. In the frame, the American Bradley A2 with a running engine and the German Leopard 2A6 also seem to be in quite good condition. I think this technique will be towed to the rear for a detailed study.

Oh, a Bradley destroyed... oh well, I think the US has over 6000 of these, kind of leftovers from here and there. They are very likely to be replaced... over and over.

The footage I have seen from the dam, looks 1 explosion, looks internal and looks clearly intentioned to cause "the right damage" which, in the short term is favourable to the RF because they can concentrate forces in Zapo. Looks like a cat, meows like a cat and catches mice... Nothing 100%, but...