Quote from: Flexystar on June 19, 2023, 03:26:49 PM

Adding to the above discussion is it really possible to scramble the words that we actually receive from the automated generator? I don’t know depth of it, but when we generate any address the phrases are already associated with it and there is no way we can change it. I am saying the first time change when we generate it. Let us say I have newly generated address and creating a wallet with Back up keys. Wallet has given 12 words but I want to change them right away manually, why isn’t that possible?

Is it possibly because someone might overlap with my words and sequence? (Though this may not happen considering the 12 words and their numerous combinations. But just curious about the technical explanation behind this.

I had originally found words in the first email from Satoshi Nakamoto that occurred in the 2048 words and 23 of them occurred in the email only 1x see image:
https://i.postimg.cc/L6sMjPdy/satoshi-email-Kopie.jpg
So I thought it could be a code. In the end I used lastWord (https://github.com/PawelGorny/lostword) to create all possible (valid) 24 seeds.

I used this config for that:

Code:

ONE_UNKNOWN_CHECK_ALL
anyAddress
24
word1
word2
word3
word4
word5
word6
word7
word8
word9
word10
word11
word12
word13
word14
word15
word16
word17
word18
word19
word20
word21
word22
word23

(of course 23 other words come in here) as you can see there was set 24 words, but there are only 23 words, so the tool goes through everything and spits out all valid combinations.

But as the others said it is not safe to mix it by yourself, I don't know if it is unsafe from the entropy, I personally think that someone could guess it.

e.g. you could take these 11 words and calculate the missing one to make it valid: satoshi payment perfect story unique unit use system cover bonus era galaxy

The phrase might be easy to remember but a person's mindset is vulnerable, the randomness that some wallets throw together is not and therefore a pattern is hard to discern. I think it is rather all that makes it insecure.

On the other hand, I often think, wallets can do anything if we can not see the source code, when generating the seed could go to the manufacturer, who collects them for 10 years and then clears all wallets that were created with the program. Therefore, open source is very important.