Quote from: Nwada001 on Today at 08:33:44 PM

Quote from: 1miau on Today at 08:18:08 PM

In my opinion, self-moderated topics are a great feature of Bitcointalk for many reasons, for example:
- managing a Service and preventing trolls from flooding it
- great for the Gambling section, where so much spam can be prevented if OP is knowledgeable in the sport and can delete spam from Gambling spammers who have no clue about the sport
- preventing extra work for moderators, removing spam quickly
- setting up unique self-moderated rules to improve posting quality for example as long as these self-moderated rules do not violate the official rules and are resonable

With the above points that you have given, it's definitely worth it. But when it comes to scammers using the forum, the reverse is also the case; they create self-moderated topics where the only comments they allow to stay are anything dropped by them, that of their alt accounts, or anything that just has to be positive based on their discussion.

If a scammer is abusing self-moderation, we'll have the option of providing and compiling evidence and we can make a scam accusation if OP is using self-moderation to scam people.
Remember, all posts of Bitcointalk are archived by LoyceV here: LoyceV's Topic Details: highlight deleted and edited posts (forum wide)
Finally, such an abuse would be very simple to prove and in case self-moderation is abused to scam anyone, we will be able to give out a negative trust for anyone trying a scam.

Quote from: Nwada001 on Today at 08:33:44 PM

Another thing about self-moderated topics is that, since it helps filter scammers, to some point it also prevents the freedom of expression kind of thing here in the forum, where all of us are entitled to our own opinion.

That's not true at all as long as such self-moderated rules are reasonable and not affecting a particular opinion. Most often, self-moderation is against trolling, which is not an opinion because trolling is just meant to derail a discussion, therefore removing troll posts is not "preventing the freedom of expression". Sometimes, trolls are deliberately targeting topics to derail them.
And if someone doesn't like these self-moderated rules, he should not reply there. It's as easy as it gets.
If he's just here to troll, removing these posts is totally deserved.
Forum rules are also not "preventing the freedom of expression" as well.

Quote from: Nwada001 on Today at 08:33:44 PM

If I'm the creator of a self-moderated thread and it happens to be that the majority of the people commenting under it are against my opinion, I might likely wipe all those comments and leave only those that I see as being in my favor.

Then, you haven't applied the self-moderation feature properly because if these are legitimate opinions, deleting them is not ideal. Deleting is only advised if it's a troll post. Roll Eyes

Quote from: GazetaBitcoin on Today at 08:48:13 PM

Of course, his character can be understood better also by looking at his Trust feedback page:

Yes, he and his friends are so braindead, it's quite a clown show.

And honestly, demanding to ban the opportunity to create self-moderated topics is so shortsighted, that it's already stupid.
The forum is very big and there are so many cases where creating a self-moderated topic makes sense to remove spam effectively.
Some sections might be less spammy but we all know how spam is a big issue in many forum sections. Obviously, Unknown01 doesn’t know this or it's feeling normal for him, because he's a shitposter.

Let's take the Gambling section as an example: there are topics where dozens of replies are made every single day. These spam megathreads have grown to over 1000 (!) pages or 50k replies.
For example, this one about Bundesliga discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159912.0
Bundesliga season is over now but still every day our shitposters are making tons of replies. Even today, 25 replies have been left. Nobody is reading these shitposts, maybe a bunch of shitposters searching for crumbs to reply to.

Igebotz made a good job pointing out, how self-moderation can help to prevent shitposters flooding new Gambling topics: Gambling Board Spammers; Concerns, Solutions & Suggestions

The solution is very simple: shitposters will get their replies deleted due to self-moderation, these shitposters will get a PM and realize quickly that it's wasted time to post relies in such topics.
These shitposters will stop to shitpost in such topics and that will result in a cleaner thread.
It's simple and it's working. Great outcome from self-moderation.
But as a shitposter, these self-moderated topics are a big nuisance and it's leading to their shitposts getting deleted. Tongue

Funnily, 2 of the biggest German shitposters (MinoRaiola and bct_ail) are part of that spammers list. And funny as well, that bct_ail is one of the shitposters shitting a reply on page 1777 on that spam megathread.
I hope that Signature campaign managers will consider the list from Igebotz and kick these shitposters out of their campaigns due to massive shitposting.