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i read some of these kids tried to injure themselves by inflicting broken leg to escape conscription. going that length so they could stay alive seems a smarter thing to do than going to the frontline.

going back to the peace talk table is more strategic for them. Spokesperson Matthew Miller says it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3dokh57y2M

Going back to peace talk after the atrocities in Bucha,Irpin and Kharkiv?That is absolutely out of question,Ukraine would rather burn down every man and that would be the correct choice,when some invader invades you,you have to defend your country and it is not only in Ukraine,almost everywhere is a fight for the motherland,or fatherland depending on how you call it.

These news are lame attempts to bash on the Ukrainian army however it won't work,Ukrainians are showing us that they are extremely united and even the worse forms of terrorism which Russia has been using systemically there won't work,Ukraine will win no matter what as they are in their right,in their independent territories which they will liberate.

what do you mean they are at war both of them are defending their own. Ukraine just planned a counter offensive but failed.

you know that if russia loses, the country will cease to exist too right? haven't you heard of yugoslavia that was already gone?

Either way it is going to cease to exist by judging the events happening there.They are not both at war,Ukraine was an independent country that was attacked out of nowhere,how can you call this normal thing to do?They are not winning anything,they are losing every day,their economy is on their knees, 1 RUB equals to 0.01 Euro cent the lowest in many months and it is normal when you are wagering war so they have nothing to be proud from what they are doing and have done,they only kill innocent civilians the most as the atrocities in Bucha,Irpin and Kharkiv reminds all of us.

As for former Yugoslavia,I don't know the story well but from what I recall many countries in that confederation wanted independence which they got in the early 1990-s,so nothing wrong with countries wanting their own independence from a certain confederation.

you need to watch the news on both sides.
they are both at war and zelensky even dragging their war to the brink of ww3 by joining NATO. that's not normal. in fact, NATO refused him.
what's not normal to drag kids out of their houses and bring those kids to the front line and be dead.

ukr is not independent. they were about to decide to negotiate peace talks but zelensky because ukr is not independent obeys his master to stop the negotiation. he can't decide on his own. there wouldn't be more deaths if it were stopped already. he chooses freefall.

I am finding extreme difficulties in following your logic.Ukraine gained independence on 1991 if I am not mistaken on promises to destroy all nuclear armament which they did to honor the deal brokered exactly by Russia,Boris Yeltsin back then.Since then Ukraine is a free country and is free to join NATO or do whatever they like in their territory without asking permission from anyone be that a neighbor like Russia who demanded that they stay out of joining NATO.

Russia wagered a war to annex parts of Ukraine and this is starting a war,Ukraine was at peace,it is the aggressor in this case Russia who put them to war and I agree with Zelenksy,no one tells me what to do in my own home.

I don't accept the saying by Zelenksy that "No one tells me what to do in my own home". Iran is sanctioned by another trying to use Uranium from their soil. African countries face high sabotage from their colonial master with much detection on how they will run their countries. I will not forget the Libya story. I believe the west coveted started this war