Quote from: o48o on Today at 10:01:17 AM

Quote from: be.open on Today at 09:11:10 AM

-cut-
In Ukraine, which is fighting for the ideals of democracy, now the strongest censorship and military dictatorship. Anyone who disagrees with Zelensky's course immediately goes to jail and is subjected to punitive methods similar to the fascist Gestapo of the era of the Third Reich.

As a Russian i am sure you know all about censorship, dictatorship and corruption. And looking from your perspective, i can totally understand why wouldn't you see democratic working governments other than a big lie, i mean that's all you had in whole history of your country. So why would others have better, right? On top of that your media gets confirming clips from borderline 5th colonna wannabes like Tucker Carlson and from our country equivalents of extreme right-wing putinists who also happens to believe that world is flat.

That's also why you see extremism as only solution for change. How ever you don't seem to have a clue that if your solution an anarchist only resets the system starting from a scratch again. Resulting to the outcome where men with biggest resources and most guns get to build another system with their band of criminals. And result would probably look something you are living under now.

Real working democratic governments come from adults doing the hard work, building a system that protects itself and all citizens of it, while giving voices to everyone. And sometimes those voices can be annoying, disrupting and even weaponized by other countries. But your system needs to be resilient to that. That's why extremists think that their voices aren't heard. Because even if their party gets elected it can't destroy the whole country even if it would have several terms. System and constitutional laws would prevent that.

Country in full scale war however are often under martial law. That's most effective way to keep your country running as democratic laws can take time to take effect and you need to make life changing fast decisions.

I am sorry if you feel that was too dumbed down but i feel like i needed to.

In other words, you yourself admit that democracy cannot defend itself by democratic means. A little earlier, you said that Russia is now in a state of cold war. Well, where does democracy come from in modern Russia if it is not effective in the face of external threats? What I dislike most about people is hypocrisy and double standards. You do not have democracy in Finland because you have lost your neutrality and have been drawn into the NATO military bloc. You live in a totalitarian state, simply because now you can't do it any other way. So don't tell me about the benefits of democracy, your vote as an elector decides absolutely nothing.