Quote from: rendravolt on July 21, 2023, 02:53:22 PM

Quote from: tusandii on July 21, 2023, 01:40:14 PM

Quote from: Doell on July 21, 2023, 01:12:16 PM

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Indeed, the Champions League sometimes brings unexpected surprises, but for Bayern Munich and Leipzig becoming superstars or winning the Champions League is something unbelievable.
It will still take a long time for the two clubs to outperform other clubs from the Premier League or Serie A to have an advantage in the Champions League.
But yes, it could happen in no time if luck is really on their side because in the Champions League there are the strongest clubs in every domestic league.

Talking about these two teams from Germany, I think Bayern Munich is much better than Leipzig and it is even very difficult to hope that Leipzig can win this title. Besides that, Leipzig are more used to their failures in the group phase or round of 16. Last season it was the teams from the EPL and Serie A who dominated until the final round and maybe next season all of that will change.

We know that currently teams from Spain are improving like Real Madrid and Barcelona, of course they come with high motivation to be able to compete again with other teams. But I'm quite curious about what Barcelona will show later, whether this time they will make it to at least the quarter finals or will they go down to the European league again, it's really worth waiting for.

If you observe the development of football properly, there will be an answer that it is difficult or even impossible for Bayern Munich and Leipzig to win the Champions League, but it is true that Bayern Munich is much better and is still above Leipzig for the Bundesliga.
But when it comes to clubs from Spain, they are much better and still have a great chance of winning the Champions League, after all, Real Madrid and Barcelona are the strongest of Spain.

Quote from: zuzie on July 21, 2023, 04:24:53 PM

Quote from: tusandii on July 21, 2023, 01:40:14 PM

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For Bayern Munich, it is still worth it because they is include in the list of Champions League winners, Bayern automatically has the experience and capacity to qualify for the win Champions League. But for Leipzig, I'm not so sure about them. Based on the data I get, Leipzig's highest achievement in the Champions League is only limited to the Semi-finals in the 2019-20 season and the rest were eliminate in the group stage and round of 16. A significant difference is seen if we compare Bayern's statistics in the Champions League.

For the 2023/24 season there is not a single factor that can provide a big chance for Bayern Munich to win the Champions League, so don't expect more from these German clubs.