Quote from: joker_josue on August 30, 2023, 12:08:01 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on August 29, 2023, 07:23:23 PM

I attempted to address some of these supposed concerns about purported abusive merit source members in my response in Bob's "parody, but not parody" thread that proclaims that I am the bleeding-heart, irresponsible, merit-distributing (rewarding) problem.

Yes, I remember seeing that.
Looking at your case. You are credible at giving merits, except when you give merits in WO. This doesn't make any sense!

If we consider a source of merit, as someone credible, he will be credible in the whole forum, not just in some parts of the forum.

There is not even really a standard that a merit source needs to be credible.. but ONLY to not be abusive in his/her merit sending discretion, and mostly in the arena of selling the merit.. and any kind of other standards would likely merely be ones that might be what might end up bothering theymos.. since as far as I understand, theymos exercised his own discretion regarding who to appoint as merit sources and also he can remove any merit source at any time for any reason or for no reason at all.

Nutildah suggest that since there is already a practice that disallows signatures in the WO thread, therefore merits should also be disallowed, since in this case, some of the smerits that are being received in the WO thread are being used to allow members to participate in signature campaigns. .and really they seem to be convoluted, slippery slope, strained and even seemingly contradictory kinds of arguments that are really difficult to make sense of, which you seem to suggest in terms of trying to get merit restrictions imposed on newbie members or even more senior members or even disabling the location on the forum in which historically the vast majority of the smerits are being circulated.. I am pretty sure that the smerit sending/receiving statistics have been pretty consistent on that point for the past 5.5 years (since the merit system went into effect).. so Nutildah's proposal (in and of itself) that is also getting a certain level of support (from seemingly jaded folks or otherwise receptive to being jaded in ways that I had already described in my earlier posts).

Quote from: nutildah on August 30, 2023, 01:40:23 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on August 29, 2023, 12:45:04 PM

Honestly, I would like to know how the Wall Observer is easier to get mertis, compared to other areas of the forum?
I don't understand this theory. But, okay.

Its been mentioned a few times already but its because a lot of merit sources hang out in that thread, and anything pro-BTC or pro-number-go-up is deemed eligible for a merit. That in itself isn't the problem. The problem is that this phenomenon attracts a lot of lazy shitposters (and their new alt accounts) looking for merits to rank up, and that is the only reason they participate in that thread.

I doubt that there is as much truth to the needs for bullish bitcoin related posts in order to be merited.. but it probably does not even matter.. we're in a bitcoin forum.. have you ever heard of investing in something and then cheering against it?

If someone is making some kind of bearish arguments, I likely will be disinclined to merit such a post if it is not backed up... but I might not require as much back up from some bullish arguments...

SO FUCKING WHAT?

Members are allowed to merit for any reason that they like - as long as there is no quid pro quo types of elements.

Merit sources are biased towards pro bitcoin ideas.

SO FUCKING WHAT?

You are a lame little turd. #nohomo. Do you even know where you are at?

Maybe you should restart your computer, and then conscietiously re log into each of your cites manually so that you make sure that you are not mistakeningly believing that you are in the NFT pumping thread... with your daddy dildah^** pieces?

Cheesy

**by the way, I just realized that daddy dildah is a much better name than uncle dildah.. it rolls off the tongue better, and you will thank my later, perhaps?

Quote from: nutildah on August 30, 2023, 01:40:23 AM

The end result is firstly a lot of unnecessary spam and secondly the empowerment and multiplication of lazy shiposters, much akin to the creation of a beggar culture. Its developmentally crippling for these users and if the bleeding heart merit givers really cared for these people they would stop enabling them -- stop teaching them that spamming, sucking up and kissing ass pays.

Doesn't it seem like you might be exaggerating a wee bit, here? Playing into your own hatred of newbies?..

Quote from: nutildah on August 30, 2023, 01:40:23 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on August 30, 2023, 12:08:01 AM

Looking at your case. You are credible at giving merits, except when you give merits in WO. This doesn't make any sense!

If we consider a source of merit, as someone credible, he will be credible in the whole forum, not just in some parts of the forum.

This is a great impartial observation.

Are you reading this Wordyman?

I almost fell of my seat when I read this part.

Quote from: nutildah on August 30, 2023, 01:40:23 AM

If you saw people mindlessly copy/pasting Twitter posts in any other thread, would you merit them there as well?

I doubt that joker_josue is saying exactly what you consider him to be saying.. You seem to be suggesting that he believes that there is some kind of inconsistency with my behavior that needs to be resolved - but instead he seems to be suggesting that there is some kind of inconsistency in the accusations that are being made.. and sure he can choose to clarify this matter (objective observation as you suggested it to be) more, if needed.^**

**So, I see that it seems that joker_josue did clarify this point in his post responding to this post.

In regards to your implications that I might be employing different standards in different threads, there could be some truth to that. If you had not noticed, different threads have different topics, and their topics could affect the extent to which I might consider a post to be merit worthy - and I am way more liberal in regards to considering almost any topic as merit worthy in the WO thread - in part because almost anything goes there - except pumping shitcoins.. or perhaps some somewhat obvious breach of forum rules?

Have you ever tried to report WO post? You will receive a dialogue box that specifically reminds you that the rules of the WO thread are different than the rest of the forum. We should feel lucky that the forum has a place that is almost like a troll box and free to almost anything.. even though many of us are not very tolerant to shitcoin pumping even though some active participants still do such a thing in that thread.. but it is way the fuck less than it was in 2015, 2016, 2017.. at least it seems to me that the WO thread has gotten better in several ways over the years - but of course, there are always going to be some dynamics that exist that might not even result in as much participation from some elements of the bitcoin community, so we may well be reliant on other members (even seemingly troll-like members) posting some of the happenings that are taking place in other places around the interwebs.

Seems to me that we are quite lucky to have a place like the WO thread on the forum, and some members are complaining and trying to ruin a good thing.. and maybe that's why we cannot have nice things? Cry