Quote from: Dump3er on December 27, 2023, 08:52:57 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on December 27, 2023, 02:45:23 AM

-I heard good things about Niacin (and Glutamin), and about 8 months ago, I was trying to stimulate a discussion on the topic by creating a thread, but I did not stimulate too much of such conversation, and I have been taking those as supplements since starting that thread, yet I am not sure if I feel any results from adding those two to my regime. I do already take vitamin C and I started taking Zinc recently too.. and gosh I hate to admit all of the supplements that I added recently, so it is not really clear if there are abilities to be scientific if too many are added.. and then a kind of wondering whether any of them are helping anything.

@JayJuanGee I like this topic very much and had a look at the thread you opened about it. It would be nice if you continued the discussion in your thread and I would really like to contribute every now and then as I think it's very interesting and important.
I have some experience to share there. May I ask you guys to keep that in JJG's thread? That would be awesome as the info is gathered in one place and I think it would benefit anyone who is interested or wants to chime in.

Sometimes it can be difficult to keep posting in a subject-matter thread if there is not active interaction with the topic of the thread, and after I created the thread I have been using those two supplements, and I even bought the two books that were recommended earlier in the thread... (which ended up in 3 books, 1) Smart drugs and Nutrients, 2) Smart drugs and Nutrients II and 3) Smart Nutrients), but I have not yet read any meaningful parts of those 3 books, yet... and maybe I should so I could at least talk about what I read.. maybe make a post after each chapter... I will have to think about that.

Anyhow, if you have any ideas in regards to the topic of this thread, then go ahead. Let us know your thoughts and/or experiences.

Quote from: EluguHcman on September 05, 2023, 02:32:32 PM

I am glad coming across this thread. Science is indeed not an instinctive studies but an extinction. Would you really want to have yourself an examplery practical case study with your motive @ OP? Oh wow it is so weird but that what it really called for when you want to get on a such research.

I have participated in research studies previously, and sure some kinds of studies, you really might feel that you want to get the real deal rather than the placebo, yet in any case, there are frequently attempts to pay research subjects, and so it can hardly be known if you are being damaged or if you are receiving all of the disclosures that you might feel to be warranted... which surely depends on the study and how much you are being paid.

Oh, by the way, I have also received what we might consider to be somewhat experimental treatments in the past, and one of their requirements is to participate in surveys about the treatment, and if they are not paying for the surveys to get completed, or if the person (patient or subject of the treatment/experiment) might not
plan to seek further treatment with the same entity, then they might not be inspired to fill out answers to the surveys... which also could happen when getting paid, there might be less of an incentive to receive the payment and failure/refusal to cooperate.

Quote from: EluguHcman on September 05, 2023, 02:32:32 PM

Maybe I should also bring to you about mr Bryan Johnson who is at his 45 yet a California based tech mogul that spoke with Steven Bartlett on the Diary of a CEO Podcast previously?
Oh yes of course I have a related lifestyle for you from this dude. He aimed to live forever to atleast get to witness the end of the 21st century with the goal to live forever.
He has already made his stipulated his task schedules on a complex daily routine pertaining the period of time and how long he sleeps, his eating lifestyle routines, sex lifestyle routines and more of it and he believes he is going to make it.
You can read on at https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.lindaikejisblog.com/2023/8/billionaire-tech-tycoon-bryan-johnson-whose-quest-is-to-live-forever-reveals-why-he-takes-110-pills-a-day.html&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjj-KT-y5OBAxWaQUEAHbbWD1oQFnoECAYQAg&usg=AOvVaw2I8ant6Sai-iSTibn_aHuF.

I took a look at the link, and I think that there is some flaws in 1) plant based diet and 2) having to take 110 pills a day.

And, his routine is so strict that it may well seem to be too socially isolating, on purpose... I would think that there is some value to both flexibility and also somewhat normal and perhaps social interactions that involve some compromising from time to time.

According to his doctors ($2 million per year spent on them) he is in pretty good shape. The article states:

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He and his doctors claim that in two years he has reduced his overall biological age by more than five years and now has the heart of a 37-year-old, the skin of a 28-year-old, and the lung capacity and fitness of an 18-year-old. His medical team is led by Oliver Zolman, a 29-year-old doctor researching aging therapies in Cambridge.

Quote from: EluguHcman on September 05, 2023, 02:32:32 PM

This is really quite baffling how people thinks and how extensively they could explore to transformations and the combinational creativities research and practices.
I am not a researcher on this field but I literally sometimes feels most supplements we consumes always has to work along with our mental believe so it could function or performs on an exact reason why it was taken. Sometimes I feel it is spiritual. If you don't believe it would work it wouldn't work but if you believe it will work then it works for you.

That is called placebo effect. I am not much of a fan of placebo effect, even though I am not going to claim that it is not real and works decently well for some people - however, at the same time, there are likely quite a few examples of people who live in fantasy worlds in regards to the things that they are believing and are not likely having actual meaningful/significant physiological effects.

Quote from: EluguHcman on September 05, 2023, 02:32:32 PM

Do you ever believe you can have an intake pills for a Palliative but only to notice it worked for your curative or preventative cures and or vice versa?

Again you are talking about placebo effect, and I think that some folks are more receptive to placebo effect as compared with others, and even if placebo effect is not exactly like bing hypnotized, there are some people more receptive to hypnotism than others. I am not a fan of this, even though I likely do engage in some positive thinking or trying to visualize positive things happening or to look at the bright side of situations, and so there is also some truth that if a person is totally negative and/or depressed, he may well end up manifesting some of the negative outcomes, whether it is interacting with others or actually getting negative results or perceiving whatever results to be negative, since he is already acting and perceiving and framing in negative ways.

Quote from: EluguHcman on September 05, 2023, 02:32:32 PM

So at some points of time believe we sometimes don't get what we expected or general have no knowledgable ideals on what we takes in just as Tou said @ OP.

I believe that it is good to have some kind of a base, so that if we might change one or two things that we are doing, then we might be able to better see if we feel that it is having any effect or not. Even if we try to control all of the elements, we likely do need to be pretty strict if we are going to try to keep everything consistent because sometimes we might assert that our sleep is better or worse or that we are having more sinus problems, but it might not have anything to do with a supplement that we started to take, and maybe even our body might be going through a kind of cycle, and we might misunderstand causation when we are merely just going through a correlation kind of an effect.