Quote from: LTU_btc on Today at 03:50:48 PM

Quote from: be.open on September 04, 2023, 07:46:42 PM

How many more Ukrainians must die before this thought ceases to seem unacceptable to you? I think no one will accuse the Ukrainians of cowardice, they have been fighting bravely for a year and a half against a rival many times superior in strength, without the slightest chance of success. Maybe it's time to listen to the voice of reason and to the banal instinct of self-preservation? As before, Russia does not require anything supernatural from Ukraine - only to respect the interests of Russian-speaking citizens and observe strategic neutrality. Is it really worth dying for?

I ask you from other side. How many more Russians will have to die for imperialistic Putin's ambitions? Back to your question, it's not up to me to decide what is acceptable for Ukraine and what is not.

So, you admit, then, that while Russia might get a broken bone out of this, Ukraine will be dead and gone if they keep it up the way they have.

Quote from: LTU_btc on Today at 03:50:48 PM

Quote from: be.open on September 04, 2023, 09:07:38 PM

Your optimism is encouraging, because the losses on both sides are classified, but sometimes terrible leaks come up, such as how the Ukrainian mobile operator Kyivstar recently let slip about 400,000 fallen heroes.

I'm wondering from where Kyivstar would have such information - thing that is kept like biggest secret in Ukraine. I assume that very limited circle of people in Ukraine knows real number of casualties and I doubt that Kyivstar have acces to these numbers.

The number of troops that existed before the war is basically known. Simple observations of how many fighting zones there are, and the 'pressure' that Ukrainian troops place against the Russians, is very telling. If Ukraine is keeping a large number of troops hidden for some final, gigantic battle, when is it going to make that battle happen? Looks like Kyivstar is within reason even if they are only guessing.

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