Quote from: DVlog on September 11, 2023, 08:05:44 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 11, 2023, 07:54:56 PM

Quote from: DVlog on September 11, 2023, 07:24:21 PM

As far as I know, when some big company or organization tries to enter the Bitcoin market it crashes down to give them a better opportunity to accumulate Bitcoin at a low price. This is pure manipulation but this has happened before.

Well, if you think that you got it figured out, then fine.. good luck with that... and if you think that you got it in the bag, then we just have to wait to see how it plays out.. and I suppose ONLY you are going to know the extent to which your orders end up getting filled, unless you want to disclose the various price points that you have your buy orders or do you employ your BTC buys manually rather than setting them in advance?

I tried to put half of my order in advance and keep half in hand in case it dips down more i will have some left in my hand to lower my average. My order is around the 20k level and if the price crash further down i will not buy any more until it touches 15k which won't happens i think. Actually, it doesn't matter what i think i just made some planning for my investment strategies and won't change it until there is some unusual scenario occurs.

That sounds good because as long as you are comfortable with setting your orders and then becoming somewhat emotionally neutral regarind whether or not they fill, then it seems that you are likely to be on the right track.

I mostly ONLY become upset if I have an order outstanding and the price moves within a few dollars (and sometimes within a few cents of filling it, and then it does not fill.. otherwise, I attempt to set my orders in such ways that I am mostly emotionally neutral about them filling or not..

Otherwise, I stand by my earlier points, that our getting all smart about setting our orders is likely more of a luxury of having had already accumulated a decent amount of BTC - and the overwhelming population are either low coiners and/or no coiner and it takes a while to get to a status of having a decently sufficiently sized BTC stash in which you are more happy for the BTC price to go up rather than down, and sure maybe there are a lot of guys (and gal) in this forum who have been stacking sats for a while, but they still may well even consider themselves to still be low coiners, so they likely have to include some form of DCA and not be fucking around too much about figuring out the price, unless maybe they are doing both.. in terms of supplementing their DCA with buying on dips.

Sure there are also likely quite few people who have some BTC and they think that they have enough, so they end up fucking around with trading it because either they are trying to get more dollars (or BTC) and they do not sufficiently calculate that they are playing with too much of their stash, and sure no problem with playing with small portions of your stash, but there are a decent amount who play with too much because they think that they can outsmart BTC's price direction, and then end up with fewer BTC because of those kinds of games than what they might have been able to get from a more straight forward DCA strategy.

Quote from: ShowOff on September 11, 2023, 08:24:57 PM

Quote from: DVlog on September 11, 2023, 08:05:44 PM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 11, 2023, 07:54:56 PM

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I tried to put half of my order in advance and keep half in hand in case it dips down more i will have some left in my hand to lower my average. My order is around the 20k level and if the price crash further down i will not buy any more until it touches 15k which won't happens i think. Actually, it doesn't matter what i think i just made some planning for my investment strategies and won't change it until there is some unusual scenario occurs.

If you place an order in the $20k area now, then that means you are really expecting a big drop. Of course this may happen, but; buying with this scenario does not seem to have a high percentage of success. I never meant to discourage you from waiting long for a downturn, but a downturn that big requires a lot of FUD as well. I don't even think you need to place an order at $20k right now, that seems wasteful to me.

Just buy it now with the same scenario. This means you buy in at $25k with half your budget now and the other half in hand. You could certainly place an order at $20k after buying at $25k with half the first budget, that seems better to consider instead of waiting for something uncertain. At least you can benefit if the price never drops below $24k, so you already have bitcoin from half your budget.

I think that you make a good point ShowOff.

Funny thing is that BTC price does not tend to go below the 200-week moving average, yet we have been having quite a bit of the BTC price going below the 200-week moving average during this cycle, and especially since June 2022, and right now the 200-week moving average is $27,691, so in going below $25k, the BTC price had dipped nearly 11% below the 200-week moving average.. and so expecing more and more dip seems almost crazy, even though surely it is possible.. but at the same time, prices are pretty damned good already.. but hey, people are going to calculate their odds in ways that they consider reasonable, and I don't consider it very reasonable to be placing very high odds of the BTC price going down when it is already below the 200-week moving average - even though we have experienced quite a bit of that phenomena in the last 15 months or so.

Quote from: ShowOff on September 11, 2023, 09:40:58 PM

Quote from: DVlog on September 11, 2023, 08:48:51 PM

Quote from: ShowOff on September 11, 2023, 08:24:57 PM

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Already brought around $25k, so what are the points of buying again if I am only buying the dip?

If you're already buying in the $25k area, that's obviously a good deal. You don't need to buy in the same area if you believe the price can still fall, and the concept of dips and DCA requires you to buy lower than that.

Quote from: DVlog on September 11, 2023, 08:48:51 PM

I put in an advanced order because sometimes the price hits my expected level and doesn't stay there for long. So I put my buy order around $20,000, but that doesn't mean I will wait for $20,000 to hit. I think I will probably fill my order manually if BTC goes around $21,000. I often use this method to fill my order.

Of course, you can change your purchasing plan and adapt it to market conditions.
If $22k seems like a reasonable buy for your entire budget, then there's no need to wait in the $21k area. But all decisions are yours, so I have no right to give you financial advice, I mean 10% of which may be inaccurate.

Personally, I have never felt comfortable having such large gaps in my buy locations, and even now, I have way more bitcoin than I need, but still I put buy orders every $500.. and so maybe there is no need to be as extreme as me, and you could do every $1,500.. it just seems too greedy to be staggering the amounts with such large spreads, or just a lack of fear about the BTC price going up when it is already pretty damned low... but again. whatever.. people get these low numbers in their head and they think that they are likely to happen merely because they hear a lot of supposedly "smart people" convincingly making those kinds of proclamations.

Quote from: Sayeds56 on Today at 01:29:24 AM

Quote from: Agbamoni on September 11, 2023, 06:58:09 PM

Having a strategy and not rushing into things is important. I'm always thinking about the future, and I don't believe in investing just for quick profits, especially with Bitcoin. I like that many people here focus on long-term goals. One reason I don't invest a large sum all at once is because it's better to start early when you have the money and not wait for the huge capital to be there. If I try to save up a big amount to invest later, I might end up spending it on something else. So, I prefer to invest $100 from each paycheck, spreading it out over 3-12 months. This way, I can accumulate more Bitcoin over time.

Your approach to investing in Bitcoin is a prudent one and aligns with the long-term financial planning and risk management. Although many market experts are anticipating a major dip in Bitcoin's price, dropping to price to $20,000 or even below, based on their fundamental and technical analysis, but it is important to recognize that such forecasts are not certain. Bitcoin has history of surprising market participants with unexpected movements. However, if such a scenario unfolds, it would be wise to capitalize on this potentially lucrative moment.

You are speaking gobbledy-gook Sayeds56. You are pointing out a pretty fucking low number and saying that "experts" think that it could happen, but then again it might not.. so it's not like you are even saying anything except for proclaiming that a lot of things can happen... which is true, but still not really saying anything of substance or meaning... but what do bots do, anyhow? they say dumb and meaningless shit that happens to be a kind of amalgamation of what's being said.

Quote from: Sim_card on Today at 11:22:18 AM

Quote from: DVlog on September 11, 2023, 06:31:09 PM

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Nice strategy you gat @DVlog called SIP. ..........
....... I don't also think that your strategy will accumulate more bitcoin than someone who does DCA weekly or monthly in a regular base because he is always buying and increasing to his bitcoin portfolio.

This is a good point Sim_card, and I did not really argue it because I kind of went along with a kind of implied presumption in DVlog's scenario in which the SIP practitioner is going to end up spending as much money on BTC as the DCA person, which is far from clear, and I have frequently argued that the employment of a decently aggressive DCA strategy can end up contributing to a BTC accumulator to engage in higher levels of BTC accumulation because s/he is ongoingly in the game.. so even DCA combined with buying on dips may even potentially end up in more BTC accumulation for the person who is trying to be more active with his/her ongoing BTC accumulation, and the waiting for dips and the longer term strategies like that may well end up with the SIP practitioner to end up being a lot more whimpy than he thinks that he is being.

Frequently I have brought up an example of someone who might have lump sum bought BTC in 2015, and s/he bought 20 BTC for around $6,660 (so the average price per BTC is around $333), as compared with someone who might have ended up buying more regularly and more frequently and spending $100k in order to buy 100 BTC between 2015 and 2019 with an average cost of $1k per BTC

Today. Which one would you rather be? The one who has 20 BTC has much greater profits 3x more profits since his cost are only around $333 per BTC as compared to the one with 100 BTC and a cost that is 3x higher per BTC. Total portfolio value is $520k for the one with 20 BTC and $2.6 million for the one with 100 BTC.

Quote from: Sim_card on Today at 11:22:18 AM

I am using DCA method because i just started my bitcoin journey and it is not up to two years,and when there is an opportunity to see a price dip,any extra funds that I have and is not useful, I use it to buy higher amount,let me say like 4X my DCA price. What i did recently, was to meet my Boss at work to give me 40% of my salary,which he gave me and i used it to buy at this dip to add to my investment portfolio. This will help me incase, the 25k+ price is the lowest that we will see before the bull run. I have also spoken to my Boss that i have a project that am working on that will need me to come meet him for 40% percentage three months advance payment,if the current funds on me exhaust. I told him all these, so that if the market goes dipper than this to 20k level,i can go and collect the money from my Boss and invest in bitcoin to take advantage of the dip, because it is better to invest in bitcoin at a discount price than leave for fiat money with your company and get paid monthly with the high rate of inflation in my country.

Of course, you likely realize that you need to be careful with these kinds of front-loading strategies in terms of figuring out if you are taking too much risk.. or can you justify the risk, and perhaps in the end, you end up being correct, but you do have to play various downside scenarios in your head to make sure that you will still be o.k. if any of the downside scenarios end up playing out.

Quote from: Sim_card on Today at 11:22:18 AM

Then when the market pumps back i continue with my DCA weekly or monthly method, this is my strategy to accumulate more bitcoin. Why i don't like to depend on the dip to buy is because inflation depreciates fiat currency and there might be some unforeseen challenges that are very important that might come and consume that funds that you are piling up to use for buying bitcoin at the dip that no one know the time it will come. Although every investor with their own strategy based on their cash inflow and for how long that they started accumulating bitcoin.

All of these sound like great considerations.