Quote from: Kruw on September 12, 2023, 08:09:52 PM

Quote from: Synchronice on September 12, 2023, 07:28:05 PM

@Kruw
As far as I understand, because of Tor and compact block filters, chain analyzes companies aren't able to trace or spy on Wasabi users, right? Then what's the point of paying money to Chain Analysis companies?

Correct, Tor and compact block filters prevent any two addresses from being linked together by network connections. However, paying money to a chain analysis company can still be useful even when checking a single unspent addresses because even an address that is not linked to others could have been reported as a direct recipient of stolen money.

I had more questions than that.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 08:32:50 AM

Quote from: Synchronice on September 12, 2023, 07:28:05 PM

Then what's the point of paying money to Chain Analysis companies?

According to their blog, that was necessary for their survival:

Quote from: https://blog.wasabiwallet.io/zksnacks-blacklisting-update/

We are fully aware of the gravity of our actions and had been even before the decision was made. By exploiting the only architectural flaw of Wasabi Wallet’s non-anonymously run coordinator: lack of censorship resistance; we broke one of the largest taboos of Bitcoin: blacklisting, to achieve something greater: survival of the best Bitcoin privacy technology. In doing this, we are giving Bitcoin’s anonymity a chance to thrive. The alternative, discontinuing zkSNACKs would have set back Bitcoin privacy for decades.

I love how discontinuing their coordinator would have set Bitcoin's privacy for decades when Bitcoin is only a decade old. Tongue

Quote from: Synchronice on September 12, 2023, 07:28:05 PM

Why is there such a cooperation between Wasabi and CA companies?

I mean, isn't it crystal clear already? But to detect dirty coins! If the full-transparency-and-privacy company won't cooperate with a chain analysis company in secret to ensure no stolen coins are being coinjoined, then how the hell will Bitcoin be fungible? Roll Eyes

According to their blog article, they had to cooperate with Chain Analyzes company in order to not close Wasabi wallet service but at the same time it was done proactively. That's understandable but by doing so, they simply destroyed what they built up.
So, as far as I understood, Wasabi analyzes who sends coins for coinjoin to prevent coins from so called 'blacklisted' addresses, this is where you are identified, right? But once you coinjoin your coins via Wasabi, does Wasabi still know who you are? Sorry if my question sounds dumb.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 08:32:50 AM

Quote from: Synchronice on September 12, 2023, 07:28:05 PM

I don't love the idea of Wasabi telling me whether my coins are dirty or not because we don't have one official, the most accurate CA company that operates worldwide, so who is going to tell me whether my coins are dirty or not?

Chain analysis is fundamentally not accurate and evidently not scientific, so your concern is reasonable: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5464886.0

That's 100% right, chain analysis is not accurate, so I don't understand the point of their proactivity in this case.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on Today at 08:32:50 AM

Quote from: Synchronice on September 12, 2023, 07:28:05 PM

Can CA or Whirlwind analyze and sort those differences?

Umm... How's whirlwind relevant here?

Sorry, that was a typo, I had to write Wasabi, already edited my post, thanks. I don't know why but I typed Whirlwind instead of Wasabi Cheesy