Quote from: sporket on April 18, 2014, 10:56:18 PM

Quote from: Ibian on April 18, 2014, 10:11:41 PM

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No.
Usury is usury. That is lending money and getting more money back with no further effort on your part. That says nothing about any other form of business.

Why wold I lie? What is it that you've found in my post that you disagree with?
Below is conveniently quoted from wikip's entry on USURY:

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Jewish Bible[edit]
(AKA Christian Old Testament) From Jewish Publication Society 1917 Tanakh.[32] Christian verses in parentheses.

Exodus 22:24 (25)If thou lend money to any of My people, even to the poor with thee, thou shalt not be to him as a creditor; neither shall ye lay upon him interest.

Leviticus 25:36 Take thou no interest of him or increase; but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee.

Leviticus 25:37 Thou shalt not give him thy money upon interest, nor give him thy victuals for increase.

Deuteronomy 23:20 (19)Thou shalt not lend upon interest to thy brother: interest of money, interest of victuals, interest of any thing that is lent upon interest.

Deuteronomy 23:21 (20)Unto a foreigner thou mayest lend upon interest; but unto thy brother thou shalt not lend upon interest; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all that thou puttest thy hand unto, in the land whither thou goest in to possess it.

Ezekiel 18:17that hath withdrawn his hand from the poor, that hath not received interest nor increase, hath executed Mine ordinances, hath walked in My statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.

Psalm 15:5He that putteth not out his money on interest, nor taketh a bribe against the innocent. He that doeth these things shall never be moved.

Christian Bible[edit]

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Christ drives the Usurers out of the Temple, a woodcut by Lucas Cranach the Elder in Passionary of Christ and Antichrist.[33]
The New Testament contains references to usury, notably in the Parable of the talents:

"Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury."

Matthew 25:27
"Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.."

Matthew 25:27
"Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow. Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?"

Luke 19:22-23
Clarifying confusion or the lack of clarity:

The above scriptures teach about putting your talents to work, not so much about business savvy or how to lend money ( please read the above passages in context for clarity ).

The following scriptures teach about lending:

"Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

Matthew 5:42
"And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked."

Luke 6:34-35
"Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Luke 6:38

Almost every religion takes a shit view of money. Money epitomizes things low and secular, Christ overturns the tables of the money changers and sellers of doves who set up shop in The Temple -- how's that for blunt imagery? I personally love money, don't get me wrong, but money is intrinsically evil, and those who have it can not be saintly by definition, or Christian-saintly at least. Christ tells a rich young man to give away all of his possessions to be more like Him.

Why should a rational person get his morality from the Bible?