Quote from: HmmMAA on September 21, 2023, 07:57:11 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 20, 2023, 07:52:51 PM

Then we fundamentally disagree. The state does not have the right to constantly monitor its entire population "just in case".

The state should be able to to monitor everything . These data should be encrypted and only be viewable in crime cases . Courts and no one else should provide the keys to be able to decrypt the data . These are things that we will see in the future if blockchains stop being used only as a economic instrument . Bitcoin is a timestamp machine and has many more uses than we have ever imagined .

Are you dead serious? You say that state should control everything it keys should be provided only to courts when it's necessary but what gives you a confidence that absolutely everyone will follow that orders? Why and how are you so sure? You only see one side of medal and completely ignore the existence of the second side, plus, you absolutely speak from the perspective of perfect world and perfect people and completely ignore the evil nature of humanity and cruelty of this world.

When state monitors everything, you know what happens? Have you heard about North Korea? That's what happens when state controls everything. When you control everything, you have the power to do things the way you want, to manage life of millions the way you want and believe me, this power changes absolutely everyone, the power brings the chemical reactions in your brain that you can't stop from happening. Absolutely everyone abuses power, if one person doesn't abuse power, there are hundreds who want to and will abuse the power and the situation then becomes like, if you want to stay in the government, you have to abuse power to benefit higher ups and yourself, otherwise you will be changed by the one who is willing to abuse the power. Just ask yourself, why doesn't anarchy work? Because humans are social, they always form groups and power changes everything. Power is like a cocaine and you can't bring me a single person who doesn't get high on that.

Quote from: franky1 on September 21, 2023, 10:04:59 AM

the thing they dont realise is that the "government" are not watching them as much as they think

How do you want to live, only work and get salary? To be always employeed? Or do you wish to do more? Create business, become successful? When you try to step up in your life, then every data about you gets checked and then governments try to blackmail you and prevent you from entering into higher league.

Quote from: franky1 on September 21, 2023, 10:04:59 AM

from what i can easily tell from blackhat and oeleo is that they dont actually care about privacy. instead they care about scamming people into using services they are affiliated with for their own profit/gain.

I completely agree with o_e_l_e_o, now what about me? Am I promoting mixer?
Why do you think that when governments control everything, they also abuse everything? Do you really think that these politicians are cutest and warmest creatures on earth? Do you really believe that these politicians live on paycheck and aren't behind big businesses and corporations? Do you really think that rich people only run businesses and have zero influence on the politics of countries? Do you really think people who have control and influence are such an innocent that they want to control everything just only to get rid of criminals?
You know, in order for police to exist, crime is necessary. They want crime, they love crime and they are behind the crime (not actually employed people, I mean big guys).