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Re: Bir Tawil nation
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Kiki112
on 18/04/2014, 23:06:18 UTC
Good! you'll move the fleet you are just forgetting the thousand of KM of ice forming to get your fish from the edge of water to your station ? using trucks? not happening I'll tell you why with proof if you want to argue about this.

Wind power? your wind tubines won't last a day in the middle of winter it will be completely frozen!, your wave power infrastructure will be destroyed when winter comes (what does happen to water when it freeze? or let me simplify my question what does happen to full bottle of water if you put it in the freezer ?) Biogas, I'm telling you it's not an option I explained this with data, the only logical solution is to get and make huge fuel supply and resupply every summer

The average temperature in winter is around -26° in one of the hottest area there, right, but you build your station to cope with the worst situation or to cope with the average temperature? if you have 2 days of -60° what are you going to do? that's bad design and bad planing. You'll just remove ice? if only it was easy as that....you'll have ice all over the winter remember you have -26° degree average....

Cows can live just fine at 18°C I don't recall saying the opposite, but heating and keeping the temperature at 18 from -40 -30 -20°C is another story, I don't how you still believe that you can create a totally adiabatic isolated system, something if it was possible we would be doing for ages in our northen cities, cities in some of the richest countries in the world like Sweden or Norway, and countries like Canada or Russia where condition are no where as harsh as in  Antarctica and this is not the issue like I said if you want to create biogas, you need bacterial fermentation that beed 35°C.
And btw the only unclaimed area in south pole is this

Which is not as warm as the other areas and very harsh to reach and work on

Ground? what ground ? maybe you missed the part that in winter the ground is under meters dozens of meters in some areas the soil is hundrend of meters and kilometers deep and under ice as hard as rock?
I have to be on lepirates side in this one. All he was saying was that it would be easier to build a base on antarctica than Mars and Bir Tawil. And guess what? He's right! I've never seen him claim that he had all details. And you just seem to be upset that he criticized your Mars plan IMO.

Here are some solutions to all the problems you mention:
1. You can fly the fish over the ice. Also it can be transported over the ice with good machines. Another possibility is to have enough food stored for the winter months.

2. Wind turbines works just fine in cold, as long as they don't get covered in ice. The biggest wind power parks in Sweden is placed in the far north of this northern country. Winters there get extremely cold as well. All that needs to be done are some adjustments for the climate. Wave power generators though will break if they're still in the water when the ice comes. A solution would be to take them up for the winter. Bio gas can absolutely work, placed deep under the ground with some heavy isolation. Add some heat and it will produce. Remember that it's not as cold under the ground. And you came up with a solution as well, to save up a lot of fuel during the summers! That is also a good idea.

3. If it gets to cold it would just be to evacuate the top floor or heat it up even more. Not that complicated.

4. If I understand lepirates posts right his suggestion is to build it in the dry valleys. Which would not be in the unclaimed territory though.



Btw, America does not claim any parts of Antarctica, and doesn't recognize any other countries claims either.

all of this is true but after all the hassle we need to compare positive sides of Mars and Antartica

both need a lot of work, Mars of course needs more since we would need to be self sufficient

but if we put a colony on Mars, we would be on every news on every television, for months, years

updates would be broadcasted worldwide, if we were to establish our own channel and broadcast it on Earth it would be one of the most watched channels

we would bring exposure to bitcoin like no one has ever saw

best advertising there could be!

just think about it..

we would be the first to put man on Mars, the first to establish a colony in outter space Cheesy

we would be famous, we would skyrocket not only our bitcoinauts but the bitcoins price too Cheesy