Quote from: blacksails on April 19, 2014, 10:01:12 AM

Quote from: kuroman on April 19, 2014, 12:30:20 AM

Upset? for what? I just provided prof that it is not easy as he claims and you claim it is, scientific facts, actual data, not just opinions and in our conversation there was not a single mention of BirTawil so I don't understand why you are adding that here, Or rather I do but I'll let you explain your self on that matter

But let's answer the thing you are mentioning here.

1-Planes ? what kind of planes? helicopters on the fishing boats? light planes? heavy planes ?
a-Helicopters, if you assume the best conditions possible a helicopter range would 300-400Km that's no where reaching the base, if you consider the cargo weight, the windy cold conditions and lack of visibility on winter that range is way shorter and I'm sure I mentioned that the ice cap reaches over a thousands KM from the limite of the shore So no.
b-light plane: No for similar reasons once you have your heavy cargo they are going no where
c-Heavy plane: where are going to land it on tiny ice near the water where you are fishing? not happening, also ocean/sea ice doesn't make a smooth surface when frozen you can have ice blocks of several meters everywhere around
Ice vehicles? there are no Ice vehicles that can do such trip, and just to put things into perspective, Top gear prepared a vehicle to reach the 1996 North magnetic pole (which is no where near the physical north pole) in Summer in perfect weather, took them 3 days to cover 320miles, with no cargo or anything they had a very flexible vehicle yet it took them that long. Winter is another story, for reference of ice cap grow by hundreds and thousands of KM during winter I'll let you image what that power can do to the rest of the environment and how things change on a daily basis

2-Most Sweden win farms are located south of the country proof : http://www.thewindpower.net/country_maps_en_17_sweden.php, Sweden is no where as cold as Antarctica heck there is no room for comparison here, the coldest part in Sweden are hotter in average than the hottest areas in Antarctica.
Here you go average temperature of Sweden cities http://www.sweden.climatemps.com/ the coldest average temperature in the most northern coldest city in Sweden is -2°C you are no where close the -20 -30 -40°C averages you get Antarctica
and for reference here are Stockholm temperature through the year : http://www.holiday-weather.com/stockholm/averages/

3- Yeah sure, you can heat it that's not the problem, the problem is lepirate claims he can be energy sufficient, your fishing boats, planes vehicles heating energy will come from what.....? and Just a reminder in winter (night) you are basically in total isolation due to the harsh conditions.

4-America does not claim any territory true, I think there was a confusion with Australia which claims almost half Antarctica.

Like I said before if it is to challenge once self with almost impossible technical problems why bother with Antarctica, aim high, aim better, and Mars is a much better target.

realistically speaking as I said from the beginning, if you want an unclaimed territory, it would be building an artificial island in international water! that's the only logical solution.
Of course there are other options like direct negotiation with a poor country to have a small slice of the land, but that's another argument which is politically tied, and I'm only discussing the technical stand point here

To be fair, lepirate repeatedly said that it would be easier to build on Antarctica than it would be to claim Bir Tawil or colonize Mars. He never claimed that it would be easy though. In fact, he claimed that it would be hard.

I'm not at all interested in discussing all technical details (basically because I'm not really read in on all technicalities), but the fact remains, it would be cheaper and easier to: Build the base, make it inhabitable, find the people willing to live there, make it self-sufficient.
Also, I think lepirate agreed on the artificial island thing earlier in this thread.

Quote from: Kiki112 on April 18, 2014, 11:06:18 PM

all of this is true but after all the hassle we need to compare positive sides of Mars and Antartica

both need a lot of work, Mars of course needs more since we would need to be self sufficient

but if we put a colony on Mars, we would be on every news on every television, for months, years

updates would be broadcasted worldwide, if we were to establish our own channel and broadcast it on Earth it would be one of the most watched channels

we would bring exposure to bitcoin like no one has ever saw

best advertising there could be!

just think about it..

we would be the first to put man on Mars, the first to establish a colony in outter space Cheesy

we would be famous, we would skyrocket not only our bitcoinauts but the bitcoins price too Cheesy

Yeah, but remember that once on Mars there's no way back (unless we develop return crafts as well, which would raise the price with a few more billions). Most people running from NSA and IRS will not be willing to do that.
Also, we would not have any use for bitcoins whilst on Mars anyway. There's nothing to buy there, so there would be no use of bitcoins, not even money (depends on the size of the colony).

With those things even the original idea is gone, with its freedom for bitcoiners and weed.
It would be cool with a colony on mars though.

why not?

if we become self sufficient we could still pay our workers in bitcoin and they would purchase stuff in bitcoin

we could still grow weed in greenhouses Cheesy

besides we should start a project of terraformation on Mars, slowly but once it would be filled with oxygen

about the gravity issue on humans

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Carbon dioxide sublimation
There is presently enough carbon dioxide (CO2) as ice in the Martian south pole and absorbed by regolith (soil) on Mars that, if sublimated to gas by a climate warming of only a few degrees, would increase the atmospheric pressure to 30 kilopascals (0.30 atm), comparable to the altitude of the peak of Mount Everest, where the atmospheric pressure is 33.7 kilopascals (0.333 atm). Although this would not be breathable by humans, it is above the Armstrong limit and would eliminate the present need for pressure suits. Phytoplankton can also convert dissolved CO2 into oxygen, which is important because Mars's low temperature will, by Henry's law, lead to a high ratio of dissolved CO2 to atmospheric CO2 in the flooded[clarification needed] northern basin.

just warming the planet up a few degrees would make it's pressure same as Mt.Everest making us lose the space suits and walking around with only oxygen bags, something like scooba-diving without water Cheesy