Quote from: xtests on Today at 07:49:15 PM

While I understand some concerns of members behind mass-cancelling Wasabi for performing AML screening of submitted UTXO's because I also consider it a bad practice, I am not sure why nobody haven't launched a non-AML community coordinator yet and haven't made a PR at Wasabi's Github adding a switch between zkSNACKs and community coordinators to the UI, since all the stack is fully open-source.

All I have found was some other thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402254.0 with o_e_l_e_o convincing everyone for not doing so with the one and only argument of supposedly not having enough liquidity, where a whole thread followed and agreed with it, which seemed to be a dubious decision after all, based on the continuous popularity of this particular thread here and its current page count of 49. Instead of all that energy spent to blame and cancel Wasabi, someone at least could've tried to launch an alternative coordinator already and promote it in this thread in order to try gaining liquidity.

Very perceptive observations, you are correct, there's a reason that o_e_l_e_o wants all the liquidity to go to his mixing sites instead of using his WabiSabi coinjoin coordinator: He can't steal from those customers if they are coinjoining, but he can steal from them (and spy on them) if they send their coins to his mixing site address.

Quote from: Kruw on September 28, 2023, 07:29:57 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on March 20, 2023, 01:47:22 PM

If they are unable to run a censorship-free coordinator, then the correct thing to do would be to shut down their centralized coordinator

Quote from: ETFbitcoin on September 28, 2023, 10:57:34 AM

Shut down mainnet coordinator and list community coordinator on Wasabi wallet instead.

^ As you can see, the very existence of coinjoin coordinators providing non custodial privacy reveals that these users are trying to scam people out of their data and coins with their "mixing sites". Since zkSNACKs proved that anyone can provide privacy without taking custody by running a coinjoin coordinator, this eliminates any doubt that the mixing sites are purposely designed as trust holes. This is why these scammers are insisting that noncustodial privacy services no longer be offered to anyone so their scamming sites can gain plausible deniability as potentially legitimate services.

Quote from: xtests on Today at 07:49:15 PM

Almost on every exchange's review page there are people who lost their funds to scam-oriented ToS among "AML/KYC incidents".

Yep, you can read the below ToS of the new mixing site o_e_l_e_o is using for taking people's money now that he's already gotten Bitcointalk users to lose their coins to both Chipmixer and Whilrlwind.money:

Quote from: Kruw on August 16, 2023, 06:59:49 PM

MixTum can confiscate your funds and turn over your data to the government when you trust them with your "naughty" coins:

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And the funny part is, o_e_l_e_o goes on to blame WabiSabi coinjoins for the address reuse and identifiable outputs created by a completely different protocol, Whirlpool:

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 13, 2023, 02:45:18 PM

Still, why would I go through the effort of setting up a coordinator, having zero volume, trying to entice people to my coordinator, all so I can run inferior coinjoins which suffer from address reuse and identifiable outputs, when I can just run JoinMarket instead?

Whirlpool suffers from address reuse:

Quote from: Kruw on October 01, 2023, 06:46:54 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 17, 2023, 01:04:22 PM

Now show me a Samourai address reuse since they implemented the fixes you linked to, and I'll be happy to tell everyone to swap to JoinMarket instead.

o_e_l_e_o, here's some more Samourai address reuse I discovered since the last two Samourai address reuse bugs - https://kycp.org/#/075224a5f39388188daea9ab97cbe507bf807ef162221d2d3e5890a6755e1374

And Whirlpool suffers from being able to link your addresses together:

Quote from: Kruw on September 30, 2023, 04:59:57 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on September 30, 2023, 01:28:20 PM

The first is the fee to Whirlpool itself, which is a flat fee depending on the pool you are joining.

The flat pool entry fee structure is designed to incentivize worst privacy practices. Since fees are not collected directly based on volume, it is cheaper to participate in a smaller pool and create more outputs than participate in a larger pool and create less outputs. Additionally, it incentivizes revealing common inputs ownership of premix UTXOs since it is cheaper to consolidate them to enter the pool once than to enter the pool with each UTXO individually. Samourai has never explained why they purposely chose a fee structure that heavily penalizes the most private usage of their protocol.

Because of this backwards design, you can easily link premix inputs to postmix outputs in many cases. Notice how this Whirlpool tx0 premix creates 70 outputs for 0.05 BTC - https://mempool.space/tx/63679c9ec82f246811acbab0c04cc0fc77ba050e1b6c23661d78afcfc13cf8aa

Notice how every single input of this Whirlpool exit transaction is a direct descendant of rounds created by the aforementioned premix transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/ce2f84f7c5ff74fb1da103acb7b279bd34f02f5e9e3a2e1b6417ce8b9b7392db

When many inputs used in the postmix exit transaction are created directly from a round that the premix transaction entered, it makes it trivial to trace the user through Whirlpool. Fortunately, the user abandoned Whirlpool and upgraded to using the WabiSabi coinjoin protocol instead, which made him completely untraceable: https://mempool.space/address/bc1qjjw5gaglkycu2lm5fskl7qhktk0hec4a5me3da