Quote from: hyudien on Today at 08:51:21 AM

Quote from: JayJuanGee on September 28, 2023, 04:32:23 AM

And think about it.. if you are starting out at $10 per week and then maybe at some point you are able to go to $100 per week or even more than that, it still could well end up taking you several years to get your bitcoin investment up to meaningful amounts.. With $100 per week and then 52 weeks in a year, so $5,200 per year, at least after 10 years you have invested $52k into bitcoin, so surely at that point you are likely going to start feeling that your investment size is getting to become a good amount, especially if BTC might continue to appreciate in value between now and 2033 (10 years from now).

I agree and have even experienced investment schemes like what you say. Maybe I still do it now, where the amount of investment spent is always not the same value, it could be $100 per week, or more often only $50 per week. This investment scheme is not suitable for most people who are consistent and know that their spending on Bitcoin will be determined well in advance, even for 1 year when reliable investors have prepared it. So when it's time to enter they only need to press the buy button.

In some sense I was attempting to describe some kind of a range in which some somewhat normal (or maybe even somewhat low income) members might choose to invest into bitcoin in such a ways that they might have been able to conclude that they have already established a budget, and surely there are consequences to their chosen level of investment into BTC, yet the extent to which they can even engage in BTC investing strategies that are even more aggressive than their chosen level might depend in part upon how much they figure out their own cashflow (and expenses) with considerable detail, so the more strongly they understand their own circumstances, the more likely that they are going to be able to cross into higher levels of aggressiveness in their BTC investment without ending up recking themselves or overly putting their BTC portfolios at risk.

Another angle towards ongoing BTC investing, including that bitcoin remains quit a great asymmetric upside bet, so even if someone ends up choosing an overly whimpy BTC investment approach, they still likely enjoy relatively decent odds of being able to prosper from their choice towards having had invested in bitcoin, stacking sats through the years and even HODLing during worrisome periods.

Quote from: hyudien on Today at 08:51:21 AM

I still remember saying that you are a person who is open to other people's opinions even if they have to disagree (hopefully you still remember June 09, 2023 Grin

).

I am probably ONLY open to other ideas up to a point that real people are genuinely trying to work through opinions that they truly hold and/or that they are grappling with actual facts rather than making things up... so I try to be open within what I believe to be some kinds of attempts at reasonable and realistic parameters.

I don't remember anything in particular in regards to June 9, 2023, even if I glance at BTC price charts and also if I glance at my posts from that day.

Quote from: hyudien on Today at 08:51:21 AM

Therefore, I always look for all investment doubts in several threads, paying attention, studying and comparing my investment methods which are not very consistent. Where do you think I should improve inconsistent investments, because limited income is the main obstacle, but the intention to become part of Bitcoin holder is the dream of many people, including me.

Without knowing too many of your details, it is difficult to know if there might be some ways that you might be able to adjust your particular approach... and at the same time, it likely is not a good idea to get into too many particular details.. even though sometimes we can talk about percentages or maybe present a hypothetical of someone who might have gotten started into bitcoin in mid-2016, but might have taken a certain approach and then made some adjustments along the way. .and then is considering further adjustments based on either changes in his/her particular situation or maybe even changes in views about bitcoin and/or how to approach bitcoin investing.

Let's say if someone had got into bitcoin in April 2016, and they had invested $10 per week, and based on about a $3,920 investment into BTC, by now, they could have accumulated around 1.2 BTC. And, so maybe you are kicking yourself right now because whatever you did, did not result in that level of BTC appreciation, so I personally would suggest to get started doing that, and if you want to try to attempt to make up for your not having had been able to accumulate 1.2BTC by now based on such earlier investments, then maybe you might want to try to be more aggressive in the neighborhood of $100 per week rather than $10 per week, and surely you might still take a long time to get up to 1.2BTC or maybe you will never be able to accumulate 1.2 BTC, so in the end, you have to just figure out the level of aggressiveness that you feel sufficiently works for you and your circumstances without ending up putting yourself into a situation in which you will get reckt or even that you might get reckt because you ended up being too greedy.

Quote from: bitterguy28 on Today at 10:39:40 AM

Quote from: Furious 7 on September 28, 2023, 08:03:23 PM

because I only believe in what I do and until now I still think that being in bitcoin and investing in bitcoin is one of the things that makes me comfortable. i

and that is what we need to believe and do..

I don't know why need to extend the discussion that long when the title already speaks for itself.

because we are in a forum, which allows for members to discuss and to attempt to address a variety of angles, which might even include their sharing their own experiences and differing opinions. As much as you like to believe, members do not necessarily agree or even understand the trade offs, even with some kind of a semingly simple proposition of buying the dip and HODLing.

Quote from: bitterguy28 on Today at 10:39:40 AM

Buying Dip - it is time to Accumulate because we are in dip market now abd this is the perfect timing for it.

Even you did not really answer the question very well.

It could be said that the BTC price has been dipping since November 2022.. but this thread was started even before that (in April 2019) because there were dips even back then.. but April 2019 until June 2019 was actually a pretty significant period in bitcoin in which the BTC price largely went up exponentially at about 3.5x in such a short period from $4,200 to $13,880. Quite amazing, and maybe buying the dip was NOT that great of an idea, since the BTC price ended up correcting back down to nearly it's starting point.. but then also seeming to be a kind of fluke in March 2020.. to correct all the way back down to $3,850 (quickly, but still it may well count).

Quote from: bitterguy28 on Today at 10:39:40 AM

HODL - this will stand on how long we can take the holding.. some are just for the net halving and bullrun , but others wanted to take as far as the market can go.

Even though you attempted to summarize the concept of HODL, you also don't seem to understand the idea of HODL. Sometimes HODL can apply to buying on the way down and then running out of money but the BTC price still keeps dipping. HODL does not ONLY apply towards UPwards BTC price moves.

Quote from: bitterguy28 on Today at 10:39:40 AM

but for me? i will depend in what i do believe and that is buying every amount that i can risk , and will hold till then if not forever .

Exactly. Each person has their practice in regards to their BTC accumulation and even their BTC maintenance and/or liquidation that may or may not end up changing with the passage of time, because forever is a long time to HODL that may or may not end up playing out as planned.. but I suppose if you hide your keys, even from yourself, then it is much easier to accomplish a "HODLing forever" plan. It does not sound like a great plan, but you are free to make and execute whatever plan that you like.. including that you can choose to not plan, which some people engage in that kind of behavior too..

Quote from: Odohu on Today at 11:46:07 AM

Quote from: lienfaye on Today at 03:10:34 AM

I tried this before and able to sell last bull run but what I experienced to be more effective is still buying during dip. Although it takes a lot of patience, and you have to refrain yourself on thinking negative thoughts if Bitcoin took longer to bounce back. But still that's proven as profitable and working for investors who can let their Bitcoin stay on their secured wallet for long period and can wait for bull run before selling.

I have learnt never to sell my Bitcoin with the hope of buying it back when price supposedly reduces. There is a high chance you will never replenish the Bitcoin. So I feel this pattern of buying at the dip and selling at the peak will not work for everyone as not everyone have the discipline to do that. Besides, is there any way to completely determine what the dip and peak are?

Assuming you bought Bitcoin around $8k and some around $15k, probably you bought lets say 5 BTC in total. If you sold this in 2021 around $60k, this represent a descent profits. fast forward to today, there are high chances you have not replenished your portfolio with 5 BTC and this means even if you might have more money in fiat, yu have depleted your Bitcoin portfolio and anything that makes Bitcoin create a new ATH, you might likely be depressed seeing that your overall decision was not the best. On the other hand, you have kept a large chunk of that money as fiat, there is the possibility you inflation would have eaten deep into the money.

The ultimate aim of every believer in Bitcoin will be to own Bitcoin. In other words, you can not be a true Bitcoiner when you are overly ready to deplete your portfolio at the sight of profit even though you have the intention of buying it again at some point as this have turned to a game of probability. It is not a good position to be in my opinion.

Your overall theme sounds good, but there is something wrong with your example.. because if someone bought 5 BTC for an average price of around $12k, that person would have spent around $60k for those 5 BTC, so there surely could be ways to sell some of the BTC and buy them back and to end up with more BTC. So you are seeming to give away too much by assuming that they are able to sell at or near the top.. and if anyone ends up selling at or near the top, they end up having a lot of options to buy back lower if they did not end up spending it for consumption purposes and they kept that money in their investment portfolio.

At the same time, you are correct in saying that there should be no expectations to be able to buy the BTC back lower so maybe the amount that is sold would not end up being very much.. so maybe a total of 1 BTC gets sold at various points between $30k and $60k.. and so there has to be some desire to buy that BTC back at prices lower than purchase, but if someone ends up getting distracted into consumption or not really knowing when or how to get back into a buying and/or accumulating mindset, then that person might have ended up losing his/her BTC accumulation mindset which should not have had been entered into through the selling anyhow...especially if they are supposedly telling themselves that they are in BTC accumulation mode..

and it likely could have been much better to just continued to keep accumulating another 1 to 3 more BTC in the last couple of years, even if the cost per BTC ended up being way higher so maybe by now the investment ends up being $120k with 7 BTC rather than with a higher average cost per BTC (of $17k per BTC rather than $12k per BTC), but still likely in a better position to have more 7 BTC rather than 5 BTC, especially if their goal was to continue to build their BTC size.. so in that sense you are correct that if your goal is to build your BTC portfolio holdings, then the better strategies are to continue to buy rather than selling and expecting to be able to buy lower, which just ends up likely screwing things up, even though on paper it seems like it could work to accumulate more by selling at higher prices and buying back lower.. but in practice.. it is way less certain than a more consistent and ongoing BTC buying approach.