Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 01:56:23 PM

Quote from: 1miau on September 28, 2023, 07:05:54 PM

What you are doing might be a, well, let's call it noble effort but I believe the issue you don't understand boils down to:

"Give a man a fish and he's fed for a day. Teach a man how to fish and he will be fed for a lifetime"

I'm more in favor to teach people how to learn fishing. Wink

I understand your point about teaching people how to fish, and I support your efforts to make this forum less spammed, however I have doubts, reasonable as far as I can see, that everyone can be taught.

Rikafip explained it very well already because our campaign is only intended to make aware of a better posting quality. Of course, our campaign can't solve all issues here on Bitcointalk and even if few members show improved posting quality, it's already a nice achievement.
And everyone, who's showing a meaningful improvement will get a reward measured in Merit.

Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 01:56:23 PM

I mean, users which light_warrior reports in the Plagiarism and AI report threads make regular copy past and apparently they don't see any problem with this, despite the existence of many training and quality improving initiatives and help in understanding the rules of the forum, as well as opportunities to turn to senior users for advice.

Plagiarism is what moderators need to enforce by banning offenders. It's 100% a forum rules issue and banning is not our business here besides explaining that plagiarism will lead to a (permanent) ban due to Bitcointlk's rules and that proper quoting is necessary for a good post to all other members (to know, where the copied content comes from).
In addition, light_warrior disqualified himself from any meaningful discussiun due to his inappropriate, wrong and rude accusations.

Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 01:56:23 PM

I also sometimes come across newbies, and not only newbies, who systematically write AI-generated posts, and many of them are starting their way on the forum by doing that. I don't think that such people can be retrained or taught, because they themselves do not show any intention to do so, if they write plagiarism or AI content in their first posts.

Depends on if they are here
a) for a genuine reason
b) just to spam the forum

For a) we can't do anything except banning them
For b), we can talk peacefully and remind them, that such writing are not beneficial for Bitcointalk

Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 01:56:23 PM

They don't even need to be familiar with the rules of the forum, it's enough just to be a conscious person and understand why you shouldn't do that.

But some people don't know. Some even don't know how to use BBCode properly.
I know someone who I referred to Bitcointalk, he's very old already but a nice person and it's very difficult to use Bitcointalk due to the outdated layout. That's why basic guides, tutorial and even campaigns like that can be helpful.
Of course, not for everyone on Bitcointalk and we have repeatedly announced that it's impossible to teach everyone but it's very possible for us to teach some people (as many as possible of course).

Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 05:29:47 PM

Quote from: Rikafip on October 01, 2023, 03:26:09 PM

Just because you can't improve everyone's post quality/habits, doesn't automatically mean that what 1miau/GazetaBitcoin (and others) are trying to do is completely useless and waste of time. Sure, we all know that majority of members (especially new ones) are essentially shitposters who came for one reason only, but every once in a while promising new member appears who needs just a little bit of help to improve and change the bad habits.

I never said that what 1miau and GazetaBitcoin are doing is useless and waste of time. What I said was that not everyone show even slight desire to learn.

And we are targeting those, who are willing to learn. Wink

Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 05:29:47 PM

As far as I understood, 1miau thought that that kind of users whom light_warrior repeatedly reports for plagiarism, could be taught and set right.

I've never claimed that and if that sounded like that, it's most likely due to the fact that light_warrior took my post completely out of context and spammed his hateful, misleading nonsense in our topic by derailing it.
Of course, our campaign doesn't target outright trolls or plagiarizers.
We all know these abusers who are just here to commit plagiarism etc..
Yes, ban them right away.
But I believe that we have new (and old) members here, who are not (yet / still) aware of it and our campaign is a great help for such members.

Quote from: Etranger on October 01, 2023, 05:29:47 PM

And such users won't appreciate or use what 1miau and GazetaBitcoin created to help them. That is why I think they would rather be reported and banned.

That's true, spammes, abusers and shitosters don't like our campaign because we are actively advocating against industrial shitposting.

Those, who don't want to learn how to fish, despite being teached several times, repeatedly, I can support it, if they get banned (plagiarism / shitposting) or a neutral trust like from actmyname (shitposting).