Quote from: tjtonmoy on Today at 05:45:04 PM

Quote from: DrBeer on Today at 05:08:40 PM

Once again I will return to the argument - you can believe in anyone or anything, but if you are a bum, have no goals, don't want to work - there will be no result !

That's not the point I was trying to make. I already said that you need to work for it in order to get the reward. If you have no goals or you don't want to work then you will get nothing in return. Let's keep the religious part to a side. Let's talk with logic. Why do you get paid? Because you work for it. So someone is giving you money for your work. If you keep on working, you will get the reward sooner or later.

Now let me connect the dots to a religious perspective. Imagine you are working day and night to get the reward(salary) from your employer. But something happens and you are kicked out of your work before you can get the salary. This is an incident that could happen to anyone. But should you give up? No, you need to move on and find a new way to earn. And the way that you will get a new way to earn comes in the form of Rizq. That's what we Muslims believe. If not this then something else. But someone is out there to give us, and we just have to find a way to take it.

So working is the way to earn. It could be explained through the religious or non-religious point of view. But the thing is, you need to work in order to get it. Even the bums could get a meal if is it their fate. But in order to get the best result, you need to work for it. That's all. I don't think any further argument is needed for this. If you think you can tell me something more, then you can. I am not the all-knowing. So I would like to learn.

That's the logic I like better, thanks

But I'll add a correction too. For some reason you have chosen a model where someone works for someone else, i.e. for an employer. But this is one of the models. For example you can be an investor who just invests money, or you can work "for yourself" by creating your own business. Therefore, you are considering only one scenario. Not the best, but I agree - mass for the majority of the population. But in this option - disposes of remuneration ... the employer! And it depends only on him - what working conditions she offered you, and when he paid the money. Which in turn (we'll dismiss negative scenarios) may depend on the actions or inactions of other people. For example, you work in a furniture factory, you are a cabinetmaker. You are a master of your craft, you make wonderful, beautiful and high quality furniture..... But, there is a global problem in the country, and only a few people buy furniture produced at the enterprise where you work. And it all depends on the market. And your employer can say "sorry dear employee, but I have nothing to pay you - no one is now buying our products" .... And no COUNTRY will give your employer MONEY to pay YOU.... More precisely in this case it all depends on the purchasing power of the people in your country... Doesn't reality look more logical ?