Quote from: shield132 on October 11, 2023, 08:50:02 PM

Btw you seem to be very educated about the recent history of middle east. I will be really glad and feel respected if you find a time to write down your opinion and situational analyze of why is there a war between Palestine and Israel, just talk about recent history. There are so many rumors, I don't really understand who is guily.

We can analyze this from different perspectives.
-From the Western (mostly American) perspective:
In the post World War 2 era when the winners were "dividing the loot", one place with all the resources was West Asia. To exert power and control they needed a "guard dog" there hence Israel was created. The policy was to give all the help they can to create a strong military force there that stays stronger than everyone else so that they can always have that as a "dog" that attacks them and keeps them weak while also destabilizes the region that would then warrant foreign intervention and presence.
To create this rabid dog, they used the worst of the worst. Despite Israel sometimes being referred to as a "Jewish state" it is actually a "Zionist state". Zionists are the extremists of the Jews with extremely radical ideology.

-From the Zionist perspective:
It's all about Armageddon, end of the world and world domination with these extremists. They had a 3 stage plan throughout history (2000+ years). They've tried this a couple of times and they've always failed, interestingly before they reach their 80'th year. Israel is now 75 years old!
Stage 1: Build Israel, the promised land (anywhere) and gather strength.
Stage 2: Expand. The "between two waters" thing (Nile and Euphrates). Although the coins they made decades ago, maps they released and other intelligence talked about a much bigger plan of expansion that started by occupying Palestine and continued by annexing Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, parts of Turkey, Iraq, parts of Iran, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, ...
Stage 3: "Cleansing the earth". You see the Zionists believe something along the lines of having a pure bloodline (from Jacob, grandson of Abraham) and IIRC they trace it back to Adam and Eve and say that everyone else (that's the entire world that is not a born Zionist) is a demon spawn and needs to either be put down or used as you would use an animal in the farm.
This plan was going well into stage two as they kept defeating the lauded Arab armies quickly and easily.

So this war was never with Palestine. It was between the Zionists and most of West Asia. However, at some point in about 40 years ago the Zionists stopped being able to advance in their neighbors soil and their defeats started piling on. That limited their atrocities to Palestine. For example they had once occupied a couple of their neighbors, like half of Lebanon and the capital was about to fall but as the tables turned (thanks to Iran creating a copy of itself which today the West likes to call it "Iran's proxy" aka Hezbollah) the Zionists were defeated and kicked out.

The recent conflict is only one in a serious of 7.5 decade long genocide against Palestinians and when any people are presented with the choice between elimination or resistance they will chose the later.

Now if we want to look at the most recent history we can see that in the past 4 years the Israeli structure is falling apart as they are getting more radical. For example the cabinet that keeps changing as the prime minister fails and keeps swapping between the worst extremists that not only have been threatening the region's super power, Iran, but also have been increasing their attacks on Palestinians. For example the number of raids on the Al-Aqsa mosque which is a very important Islamic holy place has significantly increased. Their bombings of Gaza and other Palestinian houses in the West Bank has also significantly increased. So was the Palestinian casualties.
This type of "explosion of anger" was expected. All of the members of Hamas that you see have had their family members brutally murdered by Israel, either in their air raids where they bomb their homes or by the hands of their armed soldiers or just by the settlers around Gaza that like shooting them from afar for fun!

Quote from: shield132 on October 11, 2023, 08:50:02 PM

As far as I know, historically, jerusalem has been a territory of jewish people and centuries later they managed to buy lands from Arab people and built their country on that land. Now, what's the problem between two?

Palestinians have tried everything over the years. They tried resisting, then they tried accepting to live side by side and even normalize relations to reach peace. That is the part where some of them sell their lands but it is estimated to be less than 2% of the lands that Israel is now illegally occupying.
As I said the Zionist plan was never to live side by side, their plan was genocide, expansion and world domination. So Palestinians, realizing that went back reality and resisting. Specially after they saw that despite them not fighting anymore, they were still getting killed every day.

As for Jews, they've always lived in the region. After all West Asia is the birthplace of all religions. For example Iran has all religions and each group (eg. Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, etc.) each have a seat in Iran's parliament. All these problems in the post-WW2 era started the day the "foreign Jews" were kicked out of Europe when the war ended and were shipped to West Asia creating the extremist regime of Israel.