Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 20, 2014, 02:32:07 AM

Quote from: Pero112 on April 19, 2014, 06:05:08 PM

but you support Crimea, how come you don't support Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia?

Those are the territories where Croats are the majority, they would of been even larger if Serbs didn't chase out muslims from eastern bosnia which fled and then settled on our territories

I'm not a facist or anything, even tough we have historical claims on Bosnia&Herzegovina I only want the parst where we're the majority

Herzeg-Bosnia should have been Croatia, that is the main reason of accusing Franjo Tuđman for pretensions on Bosnia&Herzegovina..

altough Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia was not a country on it's own but only an entity (like the Serbian Republic in BiH today)

And even today I would die for Herzeg-Bosnia, it has been enough of oppression and centralisation from the Muslim society

Who said that I don't support the Croat Republic? I want the quasi state of Bosnia to be split in to two. The Serbian majority areas should merge with Serbia and the Croat majority areas should merge with Croatia. The Muslims don't belong there and they can migrate to Turkey or Pakistan.

But that said, it was the Croats who decided in 1993 to form a federation with the Muslims.

that is true, but under some rules

we were played but their politicians, removed from all rights..

today by a recent poll over 80% of Croats want their own entity..

"representitive" of Croats get 0% of votes from Croatian territories and all the rest from Muslim territories as they pick who will represent us
Komić is not a real Croat, only a sell-out

we don't get to pick our own representitives, get overvoted by the muslims and get robbed financialy (as a recent investigation says richest town of Herzeg-Bosnia iroki Brijeg gets only 5% back from everything they pay in taxes, even roads they build they hire Muslims to work on them), that is not what we agreed too
we expected equality, we did not get it..

one more thing about it..
some say it's a crime
but when Serbians invaded Ravno (Croatian village in Bosnia&Herzegovina), Alija Izetbegović (President of Bosnia&Herzegovina) stated I quote "This is not our war"
if he claims this is not their war then he admits Ravno is not a part of Bosnia&Herzegovina, how come we're accused for pretensions on our own territory?
what was there left for those people to do when BiH did not want to defend them but to organize their own defenses (HVO and the republic)

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You said that you're not aware of any Croatian paramilitary, I showed you two major formations, and -apparently- we agreed on that. Don't forget that there were more, for example Croatian far right-wing Party of Rights had their own militia. So, while Yugoslav People's Army had constitutional obligation to defend the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Yugoslavia, looking from the point of international law ZNG and HOS were illegaly formed paramilitary units and thus everything they were doing, at least until the Sarajevo agreement had been implemented, was clearly illegal. It is not my intention to discuss war crimes. I could, of course, but let's leave body count and hypocrisy of both Croatian courts and the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia for some other topic.

by that logic all of our forces were paramilitary since you reckognize Yugoslavias claims on that territory
you cannot claim a territory simply because a constitution of one country says so

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That was true only until the fall of the Berlin wall and the destruction of Soviet union and Warsaw Pact. After that, western powers decided it's perfect time to destroy Yugoslavia and to produce whole bunch of small, weak countries in the Balkans which are easily manipulated. Separatist movements have been actively encouraged by the West both politically and logisticaly, and the territorial integrity of sovereign Yugoslavia, member of the UN, has been simply thrown down the drain.

not true, for one example take Zvonko Buić, if they wanted to break up Yugoslavia they wouldn't give him a life sentence Cheesy

when Tito died so did Yugoslavia start dying

Serbian nationalists started rising, other nations did not like it, they did not want 1st Yugoslavia all over again, that is when Slovenia declared independence and other nations followed
Serbian attack was inspired by nationalist creation of Great Serbian not for maintaining Yugoslavia

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What is important here is to remember that they gave the rights of self-determination to all member nations of Yugoslavia - except the Serbs.

no, they gave all socialist entities that existed in Yugoslavia the right to self-determination

those war Socialist Republic of Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia&Herzegovina.... etc.
they did not want to let countries form by historical rights or ethnic rights but only as those entities existed
therefore we have the smallest borders we had in times of peace in our entire history Cheesy

while Serbians came with larger borders gaining whole Vojvodina
later on they lost Kosovo Cheesy

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As far as I know, Bosnian Serbs are not against the re-creation of Croatian Republic of Herzeg-Bosnia. How about you? Do you support their Republic of Srpska?

I completely support it, altough Bosanska Posavina should not be there Cheesy