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I think this is a distracting blow, but if Ukraine lost its dominant height in Avdeevka, this is a great success for Russia; this waste heap could not be taken for a year and a half.

Great success... from May 9 parade in Kyiv to capturing a pile of waste. Whoever is responsible for this great achievement probably needs to avoid airplanes - victorious Russian invaders have a habit of dying in plane crashes.

A Russian parade in Kyiv on May 9, 2022 would be a much greater success for Ukraine than its current situation. Grin

Ye olde narrative of "Ruzzia (Moscow) being better for Ukraine". Repeat it 1000 times and is still a fallacy like the first time.

No one is offering Ukraine to be with Russia; Russia doesn’t need such rotten friends. The point is that maintaining neutrality is much better for Ukraine than fighting with Russia.

Oh... that's new. I mean, not that you do not want them as "friends" - Ruzzia does not have "friends", what you spoke about is about overtaking Ukraine, changing the government to a puppet like uncle Luka, create two independent states...

And now you speak about neutrality. Ruzzia never wanted "neutrality", Moscow wanted a base in Sebastopol , buffer states a better link to Crimea... but certainly not "neutrality".

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Quote from: paxmao on October 11, 2023, 08:13:35 PM

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They probably would like to hire me, they probably cannot pay the price Grin

1. The Israelis are not cutting supplies for the "war effort". I leave to your imagination (wild mostly) why have they first put 2 million people in a space that can hold 500k, then limit their movement, control their food, their water, every aspect of their lives and, after the Hamas attack, cut essential life supplies - but I can tell you is not to achieve military objectives nor to diminish the "military production" of the Gaza strip.

2. The US army and NATO had plenty of military means to spare, if they were limited, they would not have given any priority to the grid for many reasons: (a) It is simply a infrastructure that easy to replace and repair and difficult to destroy beyond repair (particularly with the "precision" of the Ruzzian missiles). (b) Ukraine is too large for that strategy to be effective (c) the military production is mostly done outside Ukraine.

But you know, last winter they did it, and here we are so that proves is not effective, rational people would not need further proof.

For everything else you say, you are wrong. The Ukraine is not going to attack the RF grid with ATACAMS, as they are not doing so with Stormshadow, because they are not as stupid as the RF military and would rather not waste what they have. They will blow up military and economic objectives that really hurt - multi-million oil infrastructure, logistic hubs, we. They can see them thanks to "the gospel" from the sky and the massive infiltration behind Ruzzian lines. They are quite mad they cannot shot at them, but that's about to change.

The Article 5 would not stop Ruzzia from invading further Ukraine. So again, your solution of surrendering is not a solution, is a pause so that Ruzzia repairs the army a goes in the offensive again. You must think that people are stupid seriously - what a bunch of non-sense covered in a trillion words.

EDIT: Ruzzia has thrown plenty of troops in Avdiivka. I mean, thrown into a scrapyard literaly. Tens of BMPs an tanks in ashes (with their crews) in one day. The territorial gain has been... 50 meters? Another successful effort in "self-demilitarising" by Ruzzia.

https://youtu.be/emjwRD2nPqU?t=2674

Don't keep us guessing do tell why Israel cut power to Gaza? Are you implying that Israel is trying to reinforce the will of Palestinians? And is US helping Palestinians in their pursuit for freedom, shouldn't Nuland go to Gaza with some freedom cookies?

Ukraine confirms attack on electrical grid in Russia's Kursk region why didn't you tell them what you know about attacking power grids? I think they can afford you by printing as much as you ask

You went from general statement that attacking power grid is "(a) irrelevant to the war effort (b) proven to be inefficient (c) proven to reinforce the will of the people being attacked... zero military effectiveness" then when i provided evidence of other nations doing exactly the same thing, you changed it to: well, every country had its reasons to attack power grids except if that country start with a letter R, has two S's and ends with a letter A.

"But you know, last winter they did it, and here we are so that proves is not effective, rational people would not need further proof."
Oh is that how your idea of how rational people should work? Ukraine tried to take Crimea back last year, and here we are so that proves that such effort is not effective, rational people would not need further proof. You're getting to a full propaganda mode, to the level of a 4th grader.

They will blow up military and economic objectives that really hurt
You think we're already at that stage where even loosing the whole power grid wouldn't hurt Ukraine economically Roll Eyes

Edit:
paxmao position within 3 days:
When Ukraine does it "So yes, a few meters here and there matter, which is the reason why Ukraine is still fighting for 50 meters at the time."
When Russia does it "The territorial gain has been... 50 meters? Another successful effort in "self-demilitarising" by Ruzzia."
Looks like you have completely given up on even any resemblance of objectivity?

I think is very clear: If you loose what seems to be above 100 tanks / vehicles in two days and advance 50 meters (quite different from what Ukraine is doing), you may want to reconsider your strategy, but hey look, go for it, keep on!

Keep you guessing what? Palestinians do not want to fight - Hamas is not "Palestinians", they did not even get a majority vote!! You put lost of people in a small space, cut water and food and bomb it. What is there to guess? Huh

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No, it is actually how people use logic, and is not 4th grade. They tried attacking the grid and Ukraine come out stronger, strategy is wrong.

I think everyone already knows you position on any movement of the front line, it can be summarized in: if Ukraine takes 50meteres they're grinding into Russian defenses and breaking Russia's back, whenever Russia takes 50meters they're suicidal because they suffered X losses and will run out of Y any minute now. But if you're going to make up numbers at least make them up for both sides so that your targeted audience can make a comparison and draw your intended conclusions. As taking 50meters is worth it even if you lost X if your opponent gave up 50 meters AND looses more than X. So at least claim that Russia gained 50meter while loosing 100.000 tanks WHILE Ukraine only suffered one minor injury to a trigger finger quickly fixed by a band-aid. Then at least people can properly compare based on your made up numbers.

As far as Palestinians surely even you must see the irony there, they were promised a two state solution with independent State of Palestine. How much is US/Europe/World really cared about their rights? Apparently even starvation of a city with a population of 2MM+ where around 50% is under 16yrs old is a fair game now Huh

But of course US really really cares about the state of democracy in Ukraine

Look, you often try to speak on behalf of "everyone" or try to somehow attack the messenger. You are just a little troll, you do not get to speak on behalf of "everyone" and if anyone bothers to read your walls of text will find that your arguments are mostly misleading, do not address the core of the question and seldom if ever provide any supporting arguments.

Ruzzia is throwing everything at Avdiivka and there is nothing to show for it. There is no way you text yourself out of that.