Quote from: Smartvirus on October 15, 2023, 09:43:48 PM

Quote from: BenCodie on October 15, 2023, 09:02:10 PM

The moment I saw it was a scam, it was avoided. That's the sane rule with every campaign. I will never apply or be a part of a campaign if I have existing suspicions of scam behavior. Before I have these suspicions, you can't blame me for that. That would be blaming me for not knowing the future.

As much as I feel this isn’t the best place or right place to have this discussion, I’ll like to make a few things clear.

I would like to start that, I did see some of your complaints at the time although, didn’t take much to it.

I thank you for at least saying this, and before you read the rest of my post I would like to also thank you for creating a well rationalized post.

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 15, 2023, 09:43:48 PM

Then again, I’ll like to say;

Until something is proven beyond all reasonable doubt, you shouldn’t expect a compliance at all level. We’ve all be on this forum for sometime and have seen where new projects at times are being exploited and victimized by cheaters. This in fact makes truth what you make it on the forum.

That's why I don't yell...even though there are obvious cases, BC.game still selectively scams (affiliates were one of the biggest scammed some time ago). However, since they still operate to some level of satisfaction for some players, that's where the line is blurred.

It is my belief that campaign managers should pause campaigns as soon as there is one indisputably valid case...though to this day I'm not sure how much this opinion is shared. It doesn't seem like it's commonly shared.

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 15, 2023, 09:43:48 PM

Even existing and trusted projects still gets complaints on their services and still, it’s allowed due course.
Using 1xbit as pointers, once it gets that loud, your sure to see reactions at all levels.

I agree with that, I do think by the time a project becomes 1xbit level, a little too many will have been hurt. This again, may not be a belief that is shared.

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 15, 2023, 09:43:48 PM

Across projects, complaints and its resolution are subjective as, companies do take their course to tackle issues which could result in delays. Still, I wouldn’t want to bank on that for a justification of denied resolution an a pressing issue but then,
If the case is as loud as we have it on 1k bet on the forum, with more and more veteran users of the forum taking to the case, you would find users distancing themselves from the project.

I agree with you here too but still have to reply that when there is an indisputable matter, at least campaigns should be paused to urge companies to address valid complaints/cases as they arise, instead of them piling up like we saw here.

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 15, 2023, 09:43:48 PM

Icopress remains one of the trusted on the forum and you can as well expect him to make some good judgment and good calls amongst others.
With complaints, testimonials and projects running side by side, it’s easy to assume all is well. It would take more than a handful of complaints to void the counter testimonials on just practices.

I agree that he is good. I think he could be a bit more vigilant though.

Quote from: Smartvirus on October 15, 2023, 09:43:48 PM

I stand to be corrected if I’m wrong but, I like to have a project yo due course and an unequal take by forum users to result any drastic actions. Let’s not be in a haste to make mistakes and in the event that we are, it would be a sad one as well which wouldn’t be any regrettable.

I note the word suspicion on your piece and you can’t expect much when it’s still a suspicion. I do hope we have more on this from other veteran users to speak truth with facts and foster reason with reactions.

Due course is something that could probably use more definition to help managers and the community in the future.

Does due course mean when a company is obviously a scam, or when the first case or X amount of cases with undoubtedly valid proof as posted? We won't continue that discussion here, someone can pick that one up in the reputation board if they want to discuss it.

No one can expect much from anyone except promoters during suspicion either. Especially from me. I will point out facts, cases, etc, as you (thankfully) have seen around the forum from when I noticed bcgame behavior until my post here (I say thankfully because this should hopefully be enough to mute that alt account). However one, like myself, should not be blamed for not yelling louder during the suspicion period or the period leading up to obviously scam conduct by a company.

I will message campaign managers in the future and see if I get a response.

I'm happy to end the conversation here as I just came here to say one thing that I believe should be said to icopress. If anyone feels the absolute need to discuss and I must reply, I will. I do want to refrain from flooding his thread with further discussion though.