Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

Quote from: 1miau on Today at 12:34:58 AM

I haven't claimed anywhere that New York Post is OSINT community.
You clearly didn't read that article and you also didn't bother to check the OSINT community yourself.

Alas, you cited NYpost article and said "look, they said that OSINT confirmed that Hamas struck the hospital" and I said, there is no such claim, link leads to GeoConfirmed which I followed closely, and read all the analysis, and nothing there that claims what you claimed, and since you failed to quote the source I now have the right to assume that you did not read anything past that NYpost article.

Well, all the pictures that I've presented here are drawn by myself or copied them from the NYP article. Roll Eyes

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

If you even follow GC you would have seen their last thread where it say

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It rules out a rocket misfire. It means the possibilities are:
1) Israel uses heat-seeking missiles (via cruise missile or airstrike) to destroy the rocket launchers, they fired some here and accidentally also hit the hospital, perhaps locked onto hospital's power generators

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There are all sorts of speculations and analyses of what has happened, NONE of them say that Hamas struck the hospital, so again, where is your proof?

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Yes, perhaps really sounds like we can rule out certain things...
I didn't claim anywhere that Hamas targeted their own hospital deliberately.
Of course, without giving the link and context, It's always easy to make bold claims.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

I've just posted one source from all the sources I've read about this. Is it so difficult to look it up or are you afraid to see some Hamas propaganda getting debunked into pieces? Cheesy

You have not, you just posted a link to NYpost and claim it's solid proof, am asking where is your proof, you expect me to find it for you. Cheesy

Stop deliberately misinterpreting my posts. The link I've given from New York Post is just a summary. Do you thing I'm writing here an essay now on this? It's just a waste of time anyway for Hamas asslickers like you, who don't even question what has happened there.
We can present the evidence that the hospital is still intact and not destroyed by an israeli airstrike and we can present evidence that these 470 death are completely exxagerated in this Hamas propaganda lie.
Hamas is a terrorist organisation which end goal the annihilation of al Israelis is.
They will make shit up, as long as people blindly defend them. Hamas is pure evil and I'm nut surprised, considering how they took power in 2006 in Gaza and have destroyed any democracy there. Lips sealed

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

I don't know, you need to ask that official Israeli account where they got the video from, and why they deleted it after being confronted.

Maybe they got it wrong, since everyone except Hamas is safe from being wrong in your opinion. Cheesy

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

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And like you've seen in the picture in that wired article, the hospital seems to be intact, doesn't it? Wink

But you said Hamas struck it, so make up your mind, which one is it, the hospital is fine or Hamas did hit it?

I've never written "struck" multiple times because striking means deliberately targeting something. It really looks like an accident.
Once again, stop claiming I would have written something, which I didn't wrote.
Not a really good look to bring such strawmen... Roll Eyes

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

Also, you seem to confuse missiles with nukes, the hospital is 27,500 square meters large,

Nukes?
What's this strawman now?
You know what a nuke would do to the Gaza strip? Roll Eyes

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

you could hit one whole block and the rest wouldn't be affected, now whether 500 people were killed or not is up for debate, based on all the evidence I have seen so far, adding that to what I heard from friends in Palestine, I think it's highly exaggerated,

What we can see from the pictures, there's not much damage at all.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

It proves that Israeli officials posted a video dating back to 2022 to "prove that Hamas did it", and then it was deleted, why did they have to have to do that if they were not responsible? why did they need to make an obvious false claim if they were too sure that they were innocent?

So what? Luckily we have many people to point it out and get to the correct version.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

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When Russia attacked Ukraine, there have been videos from a chemical explosion in China from years ago, normal Twitter users are not the OSINT community. They will re-post anything for clicks.

What normal people? the account that posted the video and then deleted it were

1- Michael Herzog (Ambassador of Israel to the United States)
2- Israel state account (State of Israel's official Twitter account)

Why do you think they posted the videos and then deleted them? these are not my words, these are Kolina Koltai's words, and the fake video posted by the two accounts can be found online.

Because it's proven wrong?
So, according to you, they should keep up all the wrong videos (like Hamas does)?

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

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Hamas is a terrorist organization and everyone is suffering from them.

so are the IDF and the Israeli settlers, so if Hamas considered a terrorist organization when the the IDF is not?

IDF are not advocating to wipe Palestine off the map. Some right wing settlers and right wing israeli parties are, yes.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

if we were to take the number of civilians killed by both sides, the IDF would win by an order of magnitude, you could call Hamas a terrorist group that's fine, Hamas could disappear after the war but nothing will change, the resistance ideology of Hamas will live forever, until the Israeli's elect a government that would put an end to all the suffering of the Palestinians, ditch the idea of building their Zionist empire that extends beyond the current occupied lands of Palestine to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Egypt.

That's bulshit and you certainly know this.
There are moderates on both sides which would accept each other's country and there could be peace. Unfortunately, these moderates are not very numerous.
On Palestinian side, these "moderates" (Fatah) where killed by Hamas in 2006 and Hamas took over the Gaza Strip. Any peaceful efforts were wasted due to a power hungry Hamas.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

The Palestinians lowered their demands over the decades in order to reach a mutual agreement with the Israelis and put into effect the two-state solution, they are now left with the last bit of land since Israel never honored any of its agreements, when someone has nothing to lose - they would do anything to take revenge, they couldn't care less what you call them or think about them, if you want to help the Israeli people live in peace, then help them get rid of this radical governments, sit on the negation table and have one last serious negotiations to bring peace to the whole region, launching airstrikes, invading Gaza, killing every Hamas member will not end the suffering for both nations.

Over the years, it's on both sides. Let's not forget, that 1948, directly after the British withdrawal, Israel was attacked by all arab countries.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

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But what these Hamas terrorists did there, murdering thousands of israeli civilians in such a brutal way, is not acceptable at all.

Killing civilians is unjustified for anyone under any circumstances, fighting for your freedom is a right you were born with.

Hamas is NOT fighting for freedom, it's fighing to erase Israel. It was written in their founding charta of Hamas.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

So now you are going to blame the Palestinians for the new Nazis? the Arabs and the Muslims alike have no problem with Jews (unlike the Nazis), the problem is with the Zionists, very different categories.

Nowhere I've blamed "the Palestinians", I've blames the radical Hamas and their asslickers. Big difference!
Please stop twisting my words. Roll Eyes

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

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Unfortunately, international law applies and refeugee crisis is a very hot topic in Germany right now. Yes, we need changes but when we make changes there, someone will be unhappy instead.

As far as I know, most refugees there come from Syria, a country that was living in peace until (the U.S and its allies EU, Saudi, UAE, etc) decided to destroy the country, American troops are still there, making sure the country stays miserable, I think Germany shouldn't be the only one responsible here, you should divide the refugees between all the countries that helped in destroying Syria, and hopefully, this serves as a good less for Germany not to follow U.S steps in wars that bring nothing but tragedy to everyone except the likes of Lockheed Martin.

That's outright bullshit, so you are an dictator Assad asslicker as well, who bombed his own population deliberately to secure his dictatorship. And that disqualifies any advocacy for your alleged "freedom fighting" disguised as Hamas terrorists. Amazing what we have in this Bitcoin forum here, we'd imagine that dictators are getting the red card shown here, but now, they get applauded. Shame.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

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As I've said, the radical folks trying to force Islam onto European countries are very few. But they are existing and they won't refrain from suicide bombing our societey to death. I'm not interested to get an escalation, where more and more people are radicalized due to political islam. We have tons of nice Muslims in Germany, they don't make any issue at all, the problem are the radicalized ones and the past days have shown that we need to take it seriously. Like you, I'm also for a peaceful society.

We don't blame the Germans for what Nazi Germans did, but you guys keep labeling those extremists as Muslims, painting the picture that this is what the average Muslim, when in reality the most affected people by those extremists are the Muslims themselves, in your previous post you mentioned "Allah Bullshit" which is a direct insult to every Muslim reading it.

Germans were responsible to a large degree allowing Hitler to run amok like he did and right now, these tendencies are growing again.
And I've not labelled all Muslims as violent extremists, I've even written most of them are nice people here in Germany. Stop twisting my words - impossible challenge for you?
I can recommend some Charlie Hebdo for you. Wink

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

What I know is, that the vast majority of people around the globe want to live in peace,

That's a noble goal but impossible with Hamas or right wing israeli settlers (yes, I critcize both sides).

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

It's also worth mentioning that comments like yours where you tie the word "Islam/Muslim" to every extremist/terrorist will make things only worse when someone in the U.S shoots 10 kids at school, you don't say "A Christian terrorist", so it's only fair that we treat everyone and every religion equally IMO.

There a difference between Extremist/Islamist and normal, friendly Muslims. I don't know how often I should write this, I've written it often enough.
We have quite a lot of nice and friendly Muslims in Germany.

Quote from: mikeywith on Today at 02:13:47 AM

Anyway, this will be my last post in this thread, I always try my best to stay away from Politcs but my feelings get the best of me, sorry if I offended anyone here.

Yes, thanks for nothing, have a peaceful day...