Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

There is only one thing that is the problem with what you are saying.

There's no problem at all. Wink

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

If people want to be a part of signature campaigns, they generally have two choices
Gambling
Mixers

We might have many mixers and gambling sites advertising here but your claim is not true.
One of the most established campaigns is from BestChange: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217201.0
In the past, we have had many more where no mixer or gambling was involved, like =https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5417207TenUp.io or Bonkz from LittleMouse.
If you are still not happy, feel free to contact any service and suggest them to do a signature campaign here on Bitcointalk. Wink

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

Both are quite similar, in the sense that you can find an ethical problem with both based on their history.

That's exclusively your issue, that you don't like Gambling or Mixers personally.

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

With gambling, it is exploitation of human greed, and on top of this, mistreatment of players, unfairness of games, and as you can all see quite often, unjust KYC enforcement in order to profit from locked balances.

Gambling is an offer to have some fun and wager money on it. They can also play UNO cards if they don't want to wager money on it...
It's up to everyone if someone wants to participate there. If you don't like that, don't advertise it in your signature...

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

With mixing, it is simply that there have been so many scams. Much less mixers have closed legitimately in comparison to scamming, so one could consider mixers to be somewhat of a time bomb based on the data.

First, we need to do our due diligence about a mixer. There's quite a difference between scam mixers and proven ones.
Yes, we can also discuss what WE can do to prevent trust issues, like setting up an trusted escrow fund.
This was discussed as you know from your "mixing incident". Roll Eyes

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

So thus leads to the problem in this part of what you are saying ...

There's no problem at all, you are creating one...

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

Your post is mostly reasonable but there is one flaw in the reality of it, which can be highlighted with two questions...

1. Do you think that for other people like me (who like this forum, and enjoy the bonus of having a paid advertising opportunity) should pretend if they want the opportunity?

Pretending to like something isn't helpful for anyone, if you don't like it at all.
It's not beneficial at all for:
- the advertised service
- your principles
- your credibility

If you don't like something, no need for you to participate in it.

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

2. Do you think there are pretenders here? If so, do you think that is a problem in itself?

I'm not able to read minds, so I don't know if there are pretenders here. But we can see from one's comments, who's interested in gambling and who's just writing nonsense to get paid every week...
And yes, such garbage posting is a problem. No need for anyone to leave boring shitposts just for the sake of making a gambling-related post.

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

Another question slightly related
Is it wrong to want the opportunity despite going against beliefs?

If the opportunity is a monetary one: it's not beneficially at all for the forum.

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

Because at the end of the day, does myself participating in a campaign really make an impact on the gambling industry?

Yes, in that case you would be part of the problem because you are giving visibility for the advertised service. Otherwise, signature campaigns wouldn't make sense.

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

If it is not me in the campaign, someone else will be...maybe someone who is pretending...isn't that worse?

The question is: what's worse? Someone whos pretending to like gambling while advertising it or someone who's openly opposing the advertised industry entirely while advertising it. I think we know the answer. Wink

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

I would like to have a conversation from here forward, I am happy to participate in the conversation with you if we can minus the attacks, and if we can just be civil...as I am sure you can agree, everything before these two posts has been too inflated with our own mutual distaste, caused by our difference in opinion.

There haven't been any "attacks", just some comment pointing out your hypocrisy.
We have always said you can have whatever opinion.

Rikafip summed up the whole issue perfectly:

Quote from: Rikafip on October 28, 2023, 04:57:12 PM

Quote from: PytagoraZ on October 28, 2023, 01:23:18 PM

I don't know BenCodie either, but he is one of the people who dares to speak here and convey what he believes. I don't think there are many people like that because most people are afraid of being tagged by DT.

His opinion about gambling is not uncommon or controversial at all (on the contrary, I know plenty of people who share his opinion), but if you want people to believe you and not think of you being a clown, you have to back it up with actions otherwise its just hipocrisy and empty words.

Quote from: BenCodie on Today at 07:15:14 AM

I would like to have a conversation from here forward, I am happy to participate in the conversation with you

I hope you can answer the 2/3 questions there and we can dig deeper into the topic!

Quote from: BenCodie on October 29, 2023, 08:55:36 PM

Since I can't debate apparently, I'm no longer participating in this thread.

From a neutral point of view, your "principles" are quite strange... Huh