Quote from: un_rank on Today at 12:30:15 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 31, 2023, 08:58:48 PM

All these are words, but in fact Messi without Barcelona is an ordinary average player.

Messi without Barcelona did not exist so we cannot make any assumption on what he was or would have been. The closest we can use is his National team and Messi without Barcelona in this situation is a,
- World Cup winner,
- Copa America winner,
- Olympic gold medalist,
- 2× World cup Golden ball,
- Two times world cup finalist.

A very fine record if you ask me.

Quote from: KTChampions on October 31, 2023, 08:58:48 PM

If you watch football, then you must have heard about Iniesta, Xavi and others who were consistently better than Messi (and achieved the greatest achievements without him, while he failed without them) but did not win a single Ballon d'Or.

On what criteria are they better than Messi?
And what greatest achievement are you talking about, world cup? Yeah, he has achieved that.

- Jay -

Friend, did you spend some time in prison without the Internet? What you wrote looks like a malicious mockery of Messi’s “achievements.” Here are some small facts (which I’m already tired of writing about): in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships. At this time, Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero Grin