Quote from: un_rank on Today at 06:37:51 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 01, 2023, 07:54:44 PM

in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships.

So did Sergio Busquets, so did Pedro, so did Pique, so did Puyol, so did David Villa (after he joined).
You are yet to explain how Xavi and Iniesta are personally better players than Messi. Football is not based on your perception, but on reality.

Exactly! Plus Sneijder, Forlan and others who in different years were stronger than Messi, but they did not receive a prize, but he did. That's right - Messi is an ordinary player who was promoted by corrupt officials.
It’s good that you talked about reality, because it was in reality that Xavi and Iniesta won the World Cup and two European Championships in just 4 years (a legendary achievement) and Messi failed without them.

Quote from: un_rank on Today at 06:37:51 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 01, 2023, 07:54:44 PM

Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero Grin

Messi has won 3 balon d'ors without Xavi and Iniesta and 2 without Barcelona.

- Jay -

Yes, yes, you can repeat all this many times, but why can’t you explain what happened in the period 2008-2012? Xavi, Iniesta and Messi have the same achievements at the club level, and are absolutely cosmically different at the national team level. At the same time, Messi collected all the awards even though he was monstrously worse than Iniesta and Xavi.