Quote from: un_rank on Today at 02:57:03 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on November 02, 2023, 08:59:49 PM

Stop lying, I’m not writing about one year (or tournament) when everything can be attributed to randomness.

This is where you mixed it up;

Quote from: KTChampions on November 02, 2023, 03:01:49 PM

Exactly! Plus Sneijder, Forlan and others who in different years were stronger than Messi, but they did not receive a prize, but he did.

You mentioned different years, but was talking about the exact same year.

You are pretending to be blind (after all, you cannot dispute the facts) but it is not difficult for me to repeat:

Quote from: KTChampions on November 02, 2023, 08:59:49 PM

There is a whole period from 2008-2012 when Xavi and Iniesta achieved their greatest achievement - two European Champion titles in a row and a World Cup. Can you name teams that achieved the same? This is the real magic and legendary achievement and breaking of records.

At the same time, Messi failed at the World Cup and was an ordinary player at the America's Cup, you can come up with different excuses but these are simple facts.
Thus, during this period, both Xavi and Iniesta were 1000 times better than Messi, but they received zero Ballon d'Or, and he received 4 Grin

You can ignore the facts for as long as you like, but they won't go away.

Quote from: un_rank on Today at 02:57:03 PM

The rest of your argument is just you sharing your personal opinion and trolling, so no need pursuing the argument with someone who is not objective.

- Jay -

You have nothing to object to since I provided specific figures and facts, so you simply ignore them and try to declare trolling. But this is even good - it means that if we talk about facts, then you agree with me, but no one cares about your emotions (incredible love for Messi).

Quote from: Slow death on Today at 04:41:28 PM

~ If Messi continued playing in Europe and in a great team it would easily be visible how he is a great player and deserves this award~

Great joke. Playing in the Farm League in a dominant club, Messi failed the first season, was at an average level in the second season and completely failed in the Champions League (two eliminations at the 1/8 stage with 0+0). Hmm... this is not the kind of “help” the sheikhs were expecting when they invited “the best player in the world who makes a difference.” Although, on the other hand, the difference is obvious: without Messi, PSG has the semi-finals and final of the Champions League, and with Messi another shameful defeat from Bayern (Messi brought this from Barcelona) and two years in a row relegation in the 1/8.