Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 17, 2023, 02:33:13 PM

Quote from: franky1 on November 17, 2023, 02:20:29 PM

100mb blocks at your extreme is not 500GB... its actually 5.2GB a year

100 MB x 144 x 365 = 5,256,000 MB ~= 5.2TB per year. The 500 GB per year correspond to previously mentioned 10 MB block size.

Edit: You've corrected yourself. But, as I have said many times, it's not just the storage requirement (you can find HDD externals pretty inexpensive, even though 5.2 TB per year is quite too much).

First, please don't do this, nobody said 100MB, let's not make a mockery out of it!
You are the only one that advanced this number, but just for this one time, no matter, let's play with it.

The last 24 hours' fees were 247.97 BTC
Fees for normal transactions, not ordinals represented 75% of the total, so at current price is $6.7 mill.
A Samsung EVO, so no your cheapest shit is $334.90 for 8TB on Amazon right now, so $41 per TB.

Now, let's assume 20 000 nodes, split the $6.7mils, and you get, wow....$335, it's like god has spoken! Grin

So bottom line, users have paid in the last 24 hours on no ordinals transactions enough money so that 20,000 nodes would get an 8TB drive!
In one F word day!

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 17, 2023, 02:33:13 PM

It's the verification process which takes most of the time, not the downloading. It already takes too much time, I can't fathom how much it'll take if we are to verify 100 MB.

Normally one would come with numbers on this...
So let's see what your average computer in 2009, like the core2duo could do and what your nowadays average desktop can,
So a CoreDuo E6600 vs Core i5-10600, intentionally middle processor 3 years old at the date of launch of now, ignoring the duo was $320 on launch and the i5 $210 so 50% cheaper, 18.2 gflops vs 482.3 gflops...lol! Grin

Now let's move a bit further and do some really laughable math...

Let's assume we want everyone to hold some coins, just hold them nothing else.!!!!
We assume the blocks will be used just to distribute coins, so that would cram 25 000 outputs in a block (we need some spare space as not all inputs are already funded with that much), so that's 1,3 billion, so 6 years!!! LMAOOOOO...even if we would optimize transactions to the max, even if everyone would stop doing anything else and move a single coin on the blockchain, it will take 6 FUCKING YEARS for everyone to get coins in his wallet (you know the whole thing, not your keys, not your coins). Now assuming everyone would also want to open a LN channel, well..it's going to be 2040!
2040 till it will even be mathematically possible (impossible in real life) to get everyone on LN!

But we don't need everyone, I mean just 25% of the world, right...so 2027 Grin

Seriously? Seriously? All because of a $300 drive? Common!

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on November 17, 2023, 01:52:33 PM

I'm pretty sure you'll have to trust some data center after the 100 MB proposal is accepted, unless you're willing to pay ~500 GB of space each year. Oh, and by the way, you'll have to upgrade to some better CPU in a couple of years, unless you're really patient with the initial block download.

You're talking to somebody who has 10KW of mining power actually securing the as we speak the network in his basement.
So...you know... wrong path here Cheesy