Quote from: yahoo62278 on November 23, 2023, 09:52:14 PM

1miau might be taking a break as suggested earlier and is letting people read and make a decision.

Yes, after a few days off, it’s always better to find a solution and despite all the disagreements with my neutral trusts, I’m here to address it.

Quote from: digaran on Today at 01:04:22 AM

So, after seeing that people are showing interest to red tag or create flag for another user doing the same as 1miau did, I would like to mention he cancelled 3 ongoing competitions

These are my voluntary, private giveaways, which I've been running every year as a community contribution. I've been far too generous instead of ill-seeking trolls like you. It's my giveaway, if someone doesn't like free Bitcoin, don't participate. I'm handling the funds as it's my giveaway. No giveaway was concluded and the return of all sponsoring funds, was discussed and settled with funds being send back.

First, many thanks for those, who tried to explain the situation on the German board, why I’ve left these neutral ratings.

It happened quite frequently, that threads in the German board were derailed on purpose by those, who have caught a neutral trust back then. And these neutral trusts are very important for readers to get an impression before interacting with these people, that every reader can make up his own opinion.
The abuses were quite severe because repeatedly, they’ve trolled with blunt lies even after the remaining members had debunked them. Anyone who dared to criticize the massive trolling was accused of "oppression", like these spammers are still calling it today but the reality is that our trolls can’t face any criticism without crying "oppression".

They just want to spread their propaganda without getting exposed as lies and getting called out for doing that.
That’s what they want and of course I will use my right for free speech to debunk that and call them out for spreading lies.
It’s not my problem that they were not ready for criticism.

So, our trolls are the ones who were always trying to prevent our spot-on criticism against their lies. Because it exposed their lies.

And these abusers in question did that derailing, lying and trolling again, again and again, despite some warnings from the moderation in the early days.
Quite a few members called out our trolls back then for their derailing, but unfortunately, some of these sane members have left the board, while a whole bunch of these abusers is still around.
Annoyed from the drama and despite the obvious lies from our trolls, the trolls were successful to trick the German moderator into doing little to nothing, sometimes a few weak warnings, when the derailing was too much. But overally, the trolls always tried to push the boundaries to their benefit. Of course, we pushed back, with criticism, with exposing their lies and neutral trust if there was any documented abuse.

We called for the moderator to sort out the issue and to do the moderation job. Even Nazi sympathizing gained traction or, legitimizing the war of Russia against Ukraine and spreading proven lies, of course. The trolls tried to derail our criticism by posting the same lies, re-phrased, again and again. But our feedback to take action against this was not heard.
Even later, plagiarism was covered up and even clear rule violation posts were ignored.
Of course, that emboldened the trolls. And they are now taking the chance to get rid of the consequences they got back then.

At some point, we have to ask, if such misbehaiour is really beneficial for Bitcointalk or if the community should be able to push back and add a simple neutral trust for this mixture of lies, propaganda, trolling, derailing, shitposting and other things, where neutral trust is appropriate.
I believe, yes, it’s possible.
Neutral trust is completely fine for such things, it’s not negative, if there’s no abuse involved, where a negative trust is deserved. Neutral trust is “hey, before any interaction, you might be interested to read this, here’s a reference link”.
That’s a very uncontroversial neutral trust in my opinion.
And DT will approve or disapprove that.

Of course, I will also PM certain abusers before opening a topic in Reputation to avoid more drama, if that drama can be avoided. Or should I slap them the topic directly in their face, without any heads-up, like mikeywith did here?

No need for me to be on DT, I believe in a truly decentralized system, where no one is able to dictate, which neutral trust ratings are acceptable or not. If other members are getting legitimized to interfere how other members are allowed to give out neutral trusts, our trolls will start new witch hunts again and again, terrorizing DT members.
And mikeywith is clearly doing this, without backing down from his initial claims, that I would have to remove all past feedbacks of the sort explained above AND for new feedbacks (and if there are new feedbacks, there would be the same witch-hunt again).
Let the whole community decide if they want to have these neutral feedbacks visible by default or not.

To address some of the abuses, where a legitimate neutral trust was given, without doubt:

MinoRaiola

MinoRaiola is a known plagiarizer, getting caught already in 3 cases (probably, there’s even more).
MinoRaiola is a known shitposter, also defending his shitposter friends.
MinoRaiola was caught to circle positive trust for no reason with his pal Unknown01 to bolster their accounts in signature campaigns.
That’s why MinoRaiola deserves his neutral trust.

Unknown01

Unknown01 is an excessive shitposter in our local German section.
He got even a reprimand:

Quote from: Hhampuz on May 16, 2021, 03:15:14 PM

@Unknown01, you make many posts like these:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1336682.msg57014417#msg57014417
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1336682.msg57014702#msg57014702
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5269042.msg57008252#msg57008252
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=628413.msg57004830#msg57004830
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5312941.msg57003942#msg57003942

All of the above are (to me) hard to conisder as constructive posts. One liners, without quoting or seemingly addressing anyone in the thread and ending in a smiley (which to me makes it look even more like a one-liner).
I'd like to think I have been very consistent with how I count posts in all of my campaigns, not to mention lenient.

Most of my clients will often ask me why I accept/count local board posts and I always fight for you guys, to let you keep posting in local boards and getting paid for it. Just needs to be more compelling and we're all good, you guys know I love the german subs!

My reminders to apply a high posting quality have been met with aggressive name-calling, crybaby excuses and defamations (see the neutral feedbacks on his account).
Unknown01 was caught to circle positive trust for no reason with his pal MinoRaiola to bolster their accounts in signature campaigns.
That’s why Unknown01 deserved his neutral trust.

It's no surprise, we can find even more, when we are digging. For everyone who wants to make his own opinion, you can read the trust feedbacks and click the reference link. That’s why I’ve always included a reference link for every reader to make DYOR.
These liars and their enablers might show up here and tell you anything. All the feedbacks have a reference link, where everyone can read up the truth himself. The links above are a great start for the abuses, MinoRaiola and Unknown01 are involved in.

Another issue is paid shitposting.
Signature campaigns are somehow a problem causing this but I believe the real problem are greedy shitposters and I’ve been ready to call them out. Unfortunately, when there are too many of these, they will take revenge at some point. I’ve left them neutral trust ratings, that everyone can read up on the issue and make up his own opinion, so everyone will be aware of some of them.

Now, that they are seeing the witch hunt launched by mikeywith here, they will gladly join to score some cheap points.
Like mikeywith, they are obsessed to throw with dirt.

Just to address the last accusations.

Luckily, the situation had calmed down on the German board over the last year a bit.
I'm not so sure if that will stay like that after the recent discord.
But let's hope so.

I’ve left the MixTum.io signature campaign as well to give other members a chance to join as I will reduce my time here on Bitcointalk for now and I don’t want to block this spot.

Regarding a possible solution:

The last time, I’ve already made massive concessions regarding future trust feedbacks.

To find a suitable solution, I’m also willing to review all of my trust feedbacks in question.
But I’ll decide which ones will stay and which ones will get removed. That’s already a massive concession since I believe, that trust interference is setting a very dangerous precedent, as described above.

So, I’m crossing my red line both in future feedbacks and also in past feedbacks. I’ve done my part here to find a solution, also for future "abuses", where anyone can complain here but if there’s not enough controversy for these presented "cases" of my new, neutral trust feedbacks, these people will expose their true, malicious intentions. Wink