Quote from: apogio on Today at 12:11:36 PM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on Today at 12:00:22 PM

Quote from: apogio on December 01, 2023, 07:13:11 PM

The question is: is it better to use card payments with the current system? Or CBDCs? To me they are the same. I see no difference at all.

Card payments are definitely less bad than CBDCs. Your credit card provider refuses to let you make a payment? You can at least try another provider, or a bank transfer, or some other option. A government refuses to let you make a payment with their CBDC? Nothing you can do about it.

As I said, I don't claim to be the ultra revolutionary, but I hate both. I realise that CBDCs are far worse but in my opinion card payments are also bad, because they ar connected to the banking system. The latter is a system I have learnt to live with, but it doesn't mean I like it. Finally, banks try to make money in every possible way, getting absurd money if people fail to pay their credit balance. So, my point is we should not have CBDCs , nor banks. That's why I call them equally bad. The card provider companies get money as a fee for their services, so perhaps my initial accusations are not very fair. But, nevertheless, they are linked with the current financial system, aren't they?

I still think you're a bit confused.

CBDCs aren't about making money (VISA/MasterCard already do that as you said).

They're about total control/enslavement.

The government/EU Commission will legislate a daily/monthly/yearly quota of how much red meat you're allowed to consume.

Don't believe me? Check it out yourself:

https://en.topwar.ru/218234-nemeckie-chinovniki-predlagajut-ogranichit-potreblenie-mjasa-v-strane-do-10-grammov-v-den-na-cheloveka.html

Please don't dismiss this if you're vegan, because they also plan to limit other things too... your gasoline consumption, how often you'll be able to use airplanes etc.

Bitcoiners are staunch defenders of freedom, right?

That's why NO ONE should accept the Digital ID (CBDC wallet):

https://commission.europa.eu/strategy-and-policy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/european-digital-identity_en

Quote from: apogio on Today at 08:41:15 AM

Quote from: cryptosize on December 01, 2023, 09:56:31 PM

ps: I'm not talking about taking loans. You're confused.

I'm talking about regular debit cards.

Ok this is what I thought. Sorry.

Quote from: darkangel11 on December 01, 2023, 09:12:03 PM

Wait, are you saying that bank credit core system is similar to social credit score? You must be joking. These are not the same, not even close.
When bank loans you money it wants to know how if you have a stable job, if you have other existing loans and such.
A social credit score is when they check your recent posts on social platforms to see if you support the government and decide if they should loan you money based on that.

The only thing I am saying mate is that they both suck. Between the bad, the worst option may be CBDC but I want to clarify that the current economic system which is bank based, has already huge flaws.

No bank credit system is not similar to social credit score. In fact I don't even want to know what the latter is.

But when the bank adds 17% on top of your expenses because you were one month late and then VISA gets 3% of that, I am sorry, I hate this equally.

If you talk about Debit payments then essentially VISA will get 3% of every payment you make, which is a service fee and it's not that bad. But again the bank owns the money you think you own, so...

I mean don't get me wrong, the only thing I am saying is we choose the bad from the worse.

And of course this: A social credit score is when they check your recent posts on social platforms to see if you support the government and decide if they should loan you money based on that is the most unethical thing I have ever seen, but it's not the only one.

I've posted this video before, check it out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5uqMmAGk8c

Also this one:

https://blog.independent.org/2022/12/01/klaus-schwab-china/

You guys still think the West won't become like China? Roll Eyes

Bonus video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxJ1wPnkk4

I guess that's enough red pilling for today. Cool