Quote from: hugeblack on Today at 06:19:40 AM

Quote from: PrivacyG on December 02, 2023, 10:42:06 PM

I think it is not as important for the safety of theymos to BAN Mixers straight away as it is to rather promote a strong statement against the use of criminal funds with existing Mixers. I imagine the Dutch Local Authorities would not be too happy to find out theymos has banned Mixers only to continue promoting Coin Joins but will instead be much happier if theymos made it clear every single time that Mixers are NOT to be used with illegal funds.

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I completely agree, the current wording of the ban is “fundamentally flawed”, but given what is called “existing mixing services” we find that they themselves are not true mixing services “dark web mixers” and have restrictions on conducting some transactions. It is true that this is wrong and a mixing service should not do this. But look at the conditions of use for these two blenders:

https://unijoin.io/en/terms-and-conditions
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https://yomix.io/en/pages/terms
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When I am faced with a choice of mixers, I prefer mixers that include terms and conditions, which essentially prohibit their services from being used for illegal things, as explained on their website.

Quote from: https://yomix.io/en/pages/terms

User may never use the YoMix.IO if his activity related to:

Activity which would violate, or cause a violation of, economic or financial sanctions, trade embargoes, and restrictions imposed, administered or enforced from time to time by governmental authorities, including, without limitation, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, the U.S. Department of State, the U.S. Department of Commerce, and any other governmental authorities with jurisdiction over you (collectively, “Sanctions”); and activity which would violate, or assist in violation of, laws, statutes, ordinances, or regulations regarding the publishing, distribution or dissemination of any unlawful material or information.
Drugs, and tools specifically intended for the production of drugs, Drug paraphernalia Illegal Drugs, substances designed to mimic illegal drugs, and/or other psycho active products (e.g.,K2, salvia divinorum, nitrate inhalers, bath salts, synthetic cannabis, herbal smoking blends, herbal incense, and HCG/HGH-like substances)
Products/services specifically offered or intended to be used to create drugs or grow ingredients for drugs (e.g. ‘grow shop’ products, seeds for cannabis plants, etc.)
Gambling: Lotteries; bidding fee auctions; sports forecasting or odds making; fantasy sports leagues with cash prizes; internet gaming; contests; sweepstakes; games of chance.
Escort agencies / massage parlors / sexual services
Timeshare and timeshare maintenance
Independent financial advisers (IFA), Payday loans and unsecure loan/lines originating from non FDIC insured banks
Counterfeit goods/replicas or those infringing on intellectual property rights, including those designed to infringe on such intellectual property (i.e., knock-offs, imitations, bootlegs)
Trade of weapons, ammunitions, military arms, explosive devices and firearm parts
Products/services that promote hate, violence, discrimination, terrorism, harassment or abuse
Products designed to circumvent copyright protection techniques or to otherwise facilitate the unlicensed use of copyrighted materials (e.g. ‘mod-chips’ to break the encryption of game computers to enable the playing of unlicensed copies of games)
Illegal products/services or any service providing peripheral support of illegal activities.
Any adult entertainment, websites & content
Fake references and other services/products that foster deception (including fake IDs and government documents)
Mail order spouse and international match-making services
Social media “click farms” (i.e., the sale of clicks/likes/reviews/endorsements on social media sites)
Intellectual Property Infringement: Engage in transactions involving items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the law, including but not limited to sales, distribution, or access to counterfeit music, movies, software, or other licensed materials without the appropriate authorization from the rights holder
Government tax avoidance
Jammers or devices that are designed to block, jam or interfere with cellular and personal communication devise/signals (e.g., GPS), Decryption and descrambler products including mod chips, Spy devices / services / software.

If you use the YoMix.IO service in violation of this Agreement and the Terms of Use, including all categories described above, you are fully responsible for your actions and obligations imposed on the YoMix.IO project by a third party due to your violation of this Agreement.

And I didn't choose the offer to use another Mixer, which I saw didn't even have such terms on its website.

Quote from: https://www.fiod.nl/fiod-takes-large-crypto-currency-mixer-off-the-air/

In the case of Sinbad. io, there are no measures in place to implement and enforce a Know Your Customer (KYC) or Know Your Transaction (KYT) policy.

I still believe this:

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 11:15:25 AM

"a cryptocurrency mixing service is not necessarily illegal,"