Quote from: LoyceV on Today at 05:54:13 PM

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 03, 2023, 08:16:04 PM

so they should encourage mixers and give bitcointalk the ability to advertise mixers like a mofo.

then contact the mixers to find crooks.

If government wants a mixer that alerts them on "crooks", they'll have to create their own honeypot mixer.

Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2023, 09:29:16 PM

It is almost certainly leading the forum towards the introduction of KYC

I don't share this fear. KYC would leave only spammers with bought identities on Bitcointalk, all good users will abandon it.

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So many loopholes were found in the implementation of this censorship, so it will be very interesting to see how the moderators manage this in practice.

I guess Newbies will get banned, and users who have something to lose won't risk testing the boundaries of the new rules.

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Now I even think that the investigative authorities do not approve of this decision, because one source of information that they used during the investigation eludes them.

Lol. What if they were promoting a honeypot mixer here, and now can't talk about it anymore?

Quote from: examplens on December 03, 2023, 09:29:16 PM

Quote from: theymos on December 01, 2023, 11:15:25 AM

3. The service does not collect KYC-type info from all users.

It is even possible to register on Google without KYC. It's a bit unbelievable to me that this is a theymos statement. Huh

From a regulator's perspective, I'd say this makes sense. If a mixer follows KYC procedures, they can either catch the criminals or criminals won't use it.

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 03, 2023, 10:09:07 PM

so if the hundred or so people that had sinbad signatures get a reward for attracting criminals to use sinbad why would not they get some of the confiscated funds.

Lol. I don't think "attracting criminals" is a goal for law enforcement.

Quote from: philipma1957 on December 03, 2023, 11:28:32 PM

mixers are one of the only ways to hide non taxable coins.

if a guy is holding 50 coins from a block he hit in 2011. He wants to cash a few in 2011 that block was worth under 500 bucks and he reported hitting the block in 2012 paid his tax.In the USA 🇺🇸 if he held it to now he owes no tax.

If he wants to cash some of it he should not need to reveal the rest as it is not taxable.

I don't get this: if you send your non taxable coins through a mixer, how do you prove it's non taxable? I like the blockchain evidence that proves those coins were old. Where I live, everything is taxable, but that's not the point here.

Quote from: LeGaulois on Today at 12:06:17 AM

Someone can make for exemple make a signature design with no link. He writes "Go to visit abcd.mixer"
People just have to open a new tab and search for the domain name

In a post, the same can be done, it's fine since I don't directly post their URLs

That's not a loophole: an URL is still an URL even if it's not clickable. So posting "abcd.mixer" won't be allowed.

loyce a 50 coin block hit in 2011 was worth 500 dollar

a 50 coin coins are now worth 2.1 million bucks.

So our guy has a 50 coin block he is usa citizen he reported the hit in 2011

paid tax on it say 20% or 100.

USA law has a tax record of you owning 50 BTC at a tax basis of 500 for it.

You did your 2012 taxes and showed you have it.

Now it is 2023. you want a Tesla you move 3 coins directly to coin base

coinbase knows you have 47 coins from that block. you do not want coinbase to know

that.

In theory only the feds (USA) know you have the coin cause you did report it in 2012.

So you send 3 coins to an address then send them to a mixer then send the coins to whom ever. you report to usa fed government.

yeah the coins have 3 x 10 = 30 cost basis and the rest is taxable 3 x 41990 = 119970 to be exact.

you kept you remaining 47 coins hidden or private if it is a legit mixer.

and you fully comply with usa IRS rules.

Basically if in the USA this is close to the only legit way to use a mixer.

Much like I write a 100k check from a 2.1 million bank account the receiver of the funds does not know I have 2 million sitting.