Quote from: philipma1957 on December 05, 2023, 04:36:54 AM

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Quote from: BitcoinBunny on December 04, 2023, 08:30:40 PM

Christmas price prediction: $55,000 Shocked

. okay

End of year price prediction: $65,000 Shocked

okay

2024 ATH price prediction: $179,000 Shocked

too low bro 222k +

2 of 3 we agree !

Since when did we have our bull run in and even year.. such as 2024?.. and gosh don't we need to save some blow-off top for some part of 2025? I know some members have even suggested that the 2025 bull run needs to come earlier in the year.. and not sure about that, just like I don't buy the idea that the 2021 top was April rather than what my lying eyes told me that it was November.

I am not going to claim to know exactly when these waves might play out. .and surely the past seems to be much easier to predict than the future (even though we sometimes don't even agree about those kinds of things), and I am not even much of a stickler for the precision of the 4-year fractal.. like some of us in these here parts.. even though the four-year fractal has been playing out fairly tightly.. so far... .. but how long can that last, really?

I doubt that I am personally affected very much whether we get our top in 2024, 2025, or 2026.... I mean a matter of whether in some variations that I might end up shaving off 8%, or 10% or 12%..... or maybe you never know I might go crazy and shave off a bit higher, but even I have difficulties imagining anything close to 20%.. that seem just crazy.. Probably not going to happen.. . And in the end, what I do might not really end up being that big of a difference. .no matter which way it ends up playing out.. . even though surely it would be better to get some actual notice in advance.. which that never seems to happen, either... not actual and constructive notice rather than then just wannabe sorcerer notice, which surely is not very reliable in the whole scheme of things.

Well if you are right we will retreat in price early next year. But eft could be a golden swan.

remember 2021 had china kicking the miners out which tore the top off in April killing off my 70k in may guaranteed prediction.

Should be fun.

I just hate getting too wedded to any narrow kinds of expectations including explanations that too much narrow in on single explanations - even though surely there are some events that affect BTC price performance on the margins, but we cannot relive history so we are locked into what happened versus what would have happened if all other factors were to remain the same and one of the factors were changed, such as china did not kick out miners in 2021 or what if the BTC spot ETFs are approved by early 2024 or what if they are not.

The past is a bit easier to ascribe explanations for what has already happened (in the even that we can agree about what happened or how to frame it), versus coming up with a variety of scenarios for a future that has not yet played out - even though we can attempt to figure out where we are at based on from where we came, which might help us to figure out scenarios that are more likely than others... but even if we pick a base case and we calculate a variety of scenarios, maybe even the scenario that is the most likely to happen, cannot even muster up solid odds of more than 40%...but out of all of the various scenarios the 40% one has the highest odds of any of them.. but even if it has the highest odds, it does not mean that the scenario with the highest odds is going to end up playing out, otherwise wouldn't those folks who bet on the highest odds be richie...

Anyhow, maybe I am devolving into too much abstraction?.. and maybe 2024 might be the more bullish of the years.. if comparing 2024 and 2025? and maybe we end up getting a double top with one in 2024 and then the second one in 2026... does not really matter very much to me, but until we see otherwise (in other words at this particular point in the cycle), I am still sticking mostly with the idea that the top of the tippity top for this cycle is likely going to be in 2025, but surely we could have facts in 2024 that end up playing out that cause some needs to reassess beliefs about what may or may not end up happening in 2025 and/or beliefs about what may or may not end up happening in 2026.

Quote from: ivomm on December 05, 2023, 12:08:22 PM

It is now clear that there will be an ETF. In addition, negative factors such as market manipulations to the detriment of FTX and Binance customers' long positions are no longer present. So things are looking very good indeed and a longer and more productive bullrun can be expected.

Even though a lot of Binance BTC left the exchange, there is no evidence that they were forcefully exited out of their long positions, as is the case with FTX.

Binance is not even close to the level of fuckery and criminality of the FTX fraudsters, including but not limited to that dweeb SBF.

And, don't get me going on bullshit, hyped, false and misleading comparisons of SBF and CZ. CZ is largely getting manipulated with both an excessively overreaching USA Government and also disingenuine moving of various goal posts.

Quote from: Erumo on December 05, 2023, 12:27:34 PM

GTA 6 release trailed got leaked, and fans have already made it crypto related. Guess every crypto character Cheesy

I would consider it relevant to this here thread if it had something to do with dee cornz.

I would never consider that HODLing shitcoins would be a good thing or a goal, which seems to be a message contained within that there meme.

Quote from: BTC_pokaop on December 05, 2023, 02:19:26 PM

Quote from: BitcoinBunny on December 05, 2023, 09:17:33 AM

GTA 6. Not until 2025. Shocked

WTF?!

Hopefully BTC is over $200,000 by then.

Yes buddy, bitcoin price may cross $200,000 in 2025. As seen, after each halving, the price of Bitcoin increases several times over the previous halving. Hopefully after this halving, the price of Bitcoin will rise in a way that will shock the whole world. $150 would be more if not $200k.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 05, 2023, 05:43:35 PM

Quote from: AlcoHoDL on December 05, 2023, 04:48:52 PM

Another day, another AYH.

Getting richer while sleeping and all...

Life's good.
#blessed

Quote from: bitcoinPsycho on December 05, 2023, 03:36:58 PM

$43K in one hour confirmed Kiss

I concur.

It is crazy that this rally seems to be accelerating. Every time I look at the price it seems like it’s gone up another thousand dollars. I feel bad telling my friends not to dump their 401K’s into Bitcoin last week. The market is on fire. I might have to get a ticker going again in my living room. Between the crazy mining profitability and rising price, it’s a good time to be in crypto.

Fuck crypto.

Quote from: Gachapin on December 05, 2023, 06:17:43 PM

hey JJG is the bottom in?

I was kind of wondering about some variation of that question.

You know that I mostly considered the $15,479 bottom to be in around the time of our going up past $30k the second time in this rebound.. which would have been in June.. around the time that I "suffered" my Binance error...

so then my recent considerations had to do more with whether $30k might ever get breached again, and surely it would be dangerous to remove all buy orders below $30k, even though most likely it should be safe to remove most if not all of them below $20k.

Call me names if you like.. but I am no Saylor, and I don't mind having gobble-dee-goos of cash.. even though it is just sitting there not really doing much of anything.. and yeah, after my first few years in bitcoin, I remained somewhat nervous about holding so much cash, but gosh there were so many times in which I ended up getting nervous because I was running out of cash.. and I am not even sure if I need to list all of the times and the various kinds of remedies that I had to try to figure out so that I would not feel that I was running out of cash... and each cycle has been getting better and better and better to have extra cash that is just available.. but how many of us mostly BTC HODLers were sitting on sufficient cash after the BTC prices went below $25k in June 2022? The ONLY folks who I recall bragging about how much cash they had were the no coiners and low coiners, and gotta take those guys with a decently large grain of salt, for sure.

So, yeah we don't really need cash in times like this.. so I don't know what to say, further - except that it does seem that I have more BTC this time around than I had in 2021 when we were going up (both the first time in early 2021 and the second time in late 2021 - which I think that the second time I had more BTC than the first time, and sure I would have to check my details more specifically).. so that having more BTC phenomena is a kind of progress that is within the system of being mostly a HODLer. .even a HODLer who doesn't really have anything against spending BTC, even though I would say that I really was not trying to get more BTC since early 2021 (because even in 2021, I felt that I had more than enough BTC) because it is kind of a side-effect to end up having more BTC.. in spite certain kinds of spendenngs along the way...

What do you think about bottoms? Do you believe that we are going up from here, and no more bottoms? By the way, we heard a lot of "down before up" since October, and those calls have not played out very well, so far. Sooner or later one of those "down before up" calls will end up playing out correctly, if anyone still dares to proclaim such a thing, again. Cheesy