Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on December 06, 2023, 11:52:20 AM

As we all know the Ordinal and Inscription totally spam the btc network which is headache for the small btc holder. Those who understands the real purpose of btc and wants to spread information of btc will never happy with this spam feature because we cannot introduce people that you have to pay 10$ for every transaction (whenever you buy and sell).

I don't think that Ordinals are problem. Ordinals are basically shit but people are willing to pay lots of money in this shit. If someone wants to buy a shit for thousands of dollars, who am I to judge? Let them buy it. I think that number of Ordinals users will decline because those NFTs actually carry no value, absolutely no value and over time people will analyze that shit shouldn't be valued over good. But blockchain size is still a problem because as number of bitcoin users rise, number of transactions will rise too and it should be cost-effective for people to use frequently.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 06, 2023, 03:04:43 PM

Wow. Just wow. Look at the multiple people in this thread cheering for censorship.

It's not a censorship, they exploit bitcoin protocol, they find a loophole and what's wrong with feeling loopholes? Nothing. It will be censorship if bitcoin miners agree to block transactions provided by blockchain analysis companies.

Quote from: franky1 on December 07, 2023, 12:34:33 AM

how about a way to just target the meme junk/brc junk and penalise only them to have to pay more
how about a way to just target the spammers respending every 1-100 confirms pay more

that way it targets the nuisance
nuisance= transactions not normal to bitcoin that take space away from normal people
EG no one uses their debit card every 10 minutes 24/7 normal people use it 2 times a day on average.

To be frank, this idea is amazing Cheesy

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 07, 2023, 08:33:19 AM

"Unproductive nuisance" is subjective. I complete agree ordinals are unproductive nuisance, but we should not be dictating how other people are and are not allowed to use bitcoin.

That is really a subjective but so is everything, absolutely everything is subjective because everything has positive and negative sides, absolutely everything! But there are things that we agree are bad, right? It's bad to kill, it's bad to steal, it's bad to abuse bitcoin protocol for ordinals and so on.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 07, 2023, 08:33:19 AM

Here's a Counterparty based project transaction which encodes data as bare multi-sig outputs: https://mempool.space/tx/ee9ed76fa2318deb63a24082a8edc73e4ea39a5252bfb1c1e1c02bd02c52f95f. This method takes up even more space than the current method being used by ordinals, so this would make spam better, not worse.

Do we just keep banning "exploits" until only transactions we deem appropriate are allowed? That sounds like censorship to me.

How will you use bitcoin mempool gets massively flooded? What do you think, doesn't current situation push people to move on altcoins? Bitcoin was created for P2P transactions, to get rid of 3rd parties but Ordinals are not real financial transactions. So, it's not a censorship.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on December 07, 2023, 10:34:35 AM

I'm simply pointing out that banning transactions you don't like isn't a viable long term solution to reducing fees.

I agree with you here and I have also said above some of these quotes that Ordinals are not the only problem. I don't know whether you agree with me or not but this problem will happen without ordinals. Simply, bitcoin blocksize limits the number of transactions and if we want to frequently use it, we have no choice but to increase block size. It's not 2008 anymore and there aren't only a few bitcoin users.