remember doomad and oeleo do not support bitcoin scaling..
i don't know franky. i'm not even sure what we mean by "scaling" but i thought it meant "larger blocksize" basically. i don't know their views on that but since i respect them both a great deal, i would respect their opinion on the matter. just like i can respect yours.
they support offramping to other subnetworks where middlemen can syphon routing fee's for unsettled payments(insecure non-immutable), which they call offramping as "scaling solution" they love high bitcoin fee's as it promotes their favoured subnetwork as "the solution"..
thats the real reason they dont want it to stop
oeieo even said in this thread he doesn't like high transaction fees but he's willing to pay them. to support the network. that doesn't sound to me like someone that runs off to LN to avoid transaction fees he's a real supporter of bitcoin, franky. which is why i respect whatever his view on this matter.
those 'dont stop the junk' trolls you follow and admire are happy bitcoin is not for the unbanked anymore
so there's people that don't have a bank account but yet they can do everything they need using just bitcoin? i guarantee you that no one that lives on the streets is in that category.