Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on Today at 04:40:53 AM

Quote from: franky1 on Today at 01:36:17 AM

remember doomad and oeleo do not support bitcoin scaling..

i don't know franky. i'm not even sure what we mean by "scaling" but i thought it meant "larger blocksize" basically. i don't know their views on that but since i respect them both a great deal, i would respect their opinion on the matter. just like i can respect yours.

but their version of "bigger blocks" is to exagerate "1gb" speaches and "but visa does" speaches.. thats called LEAPING and they do that to try to quash any debate
scaling is not just progressive small growth of blocks (rational), but also tweaking the cludge of how transactions at the moment are treated to become leaner to allow more transactions in allowed blockspace. and also penalising spammers and junkers so they transact less so genuine bitcoiners can have more opportunity in the space

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on Today at 04:40:53 AM

Quote from: franky1 on Today at 01:36:17 AM

they support offramping to other subnetworks where middlemen can syphon routing fee's for unsettled payments(insecure non-immutable), which they call offramping as "scaling solution" they love high bitcoin fee's as it promotes their favoured subnetwork as "the solution"..
thats the real reason they dont want it to stop

oeieo even said in this thread he doesn't like high transaction fees but he's willing to pay them. to support the network. that doesn't sound to me like someone that runs off to LN to avoid transaction fees he's a real supporter of bitcoin, franky. which is why i respect whatever his view on this matter.

the network worked fine when the reward was 6.25 * $17k last year=~$107k .. miners dont need transactions to go from ~$2 to ~ $30 in that same year comparison.. because the bitcoin reward is 6.25 $40k+ = $250k
and we have not even got to the halving.. so basically miners are getting more income then they need. they dont need extra subsidy via fee.. so dont play the scripted sales pitch to put up with junk "due to the poor miners".. they are not poor, so dont fall into those crappy traps
their game is make fees higher so it advertises their preferred subnetworks.. its that simple

Quote from: larry_vw_1955 on Today at 04:40:53 AM

Quote from: franky1 on Today at 01:36:17 AM

those 'dont stop the junk' trolls you follow and admire are happy bitcoin is not for the unbanked anymore

so there's people that don't have a bank account but yet they can do everything they need using just bitcoin? i guarantee you that no one that lives on the streets is in that category.

many sanctioned countries cant do international fiat transfers..
many developing countries have low income but can and do buy bitcoin
heck even CZ of binance got fined millions of dollars (equivalent to the fees) for the transactions he processed from sanctioned countries that cant use the normal banking system internationally.. now we all know those fee's are only 0.x% of value. which shows the value of the "unbanked" of just the clients CZ of binance helped with is billions of dollars of value transfer

so dont dismiss the "unbanked"